Pinnacle Continues Hiring and Lowering Standards

[pilotyip]

What is wrong with airline pay, $100K is still a doable salary in mid-career. That is above 95% of the US income.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What is wrong with airline pay, $100K is still a doable salary in mid-career. That is above 95% of the US income.

Would you like to take a pay cut?

 

[pilotyip]

Rez, how could it be a pay cut if I never made that much?

 

[SEVEN]

Hey dudes and dudettes, where does it OFFICIALLY say 500 hours? It still says 1000 on their site.

www.skyjobs.net

 

[Freight Dog]

What is wrong with airline pay, $100K is still a doable salary in mid-career. That is above 95% of the US income.

100k in my part of the country is like you making 65k in Motown.

Not quite the same...

.... and I don't make 100k.

 

[Charmin]

But at wages of unskilled labor due to unskilled labor usage.[/I] And it is our fault that it is going on. We love to fly. They know it. You want to fly our shinny machine young man...Yes Sir...well you have to Pay Your Dues....at this rate you'll be paying your dues for the rest of your lives.

Great post!! Very well put...I actually got misty reading this...

 

[TurboAWD]

Hello, welcome to the 90's. $100k is NOT adequate (in most) parts of the country to compensate me for:

The significant (and expensive) training required for this job.
The long time away from home (missing holidays, bdays, etc)
The lack of stability.
Starting at the bottom of schedules and pay every time you start over.
The risk of loosing your medical.
The constant jeopardy checking events.
And all the other crud that happens on line.

IF I stick with this career for the rest of my working days, I will jump off a bridge if I never top $100k.

Turbo

 

[arthompson]

I sympathize with you Turbo, though not a pilot I thought I'd be making more than I am by this point in my career.

 

[pilotyip]

Again the Dept of Labor puts $100K in the upper 5% of wages earners in the US, what is wrong with that number? If you do not make $100K as a pilot what job will give you that income?. I have never topped $100K, I own a house, an airplane and have decent retirement all set up. I have been living the dream since 1947.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Again the Dept of Labor puts $100K in the upper 5% of wages earners in the US, what is wrong with that number? If you do not make $100K as a pilot what job will give you that income?. I have never topped $100K, I own a house, an airplane and have decent retirement all set up. I have been living the dream since 1947.

You do realize that the division of wealth in this country is significantly skewed right? Last year, Fortune magazine listed the top billionaires in the world and this country has 335 of them last year. Do you know how many people are making minimum wage? THOSE are the folks they're comparing you to with that 5%. So yes, compared to the minimum wage earner, $100K is a crap load of money. So unless you take that money and live to the standards and lifestyle of someone that earns minimum wage, you're not really making a lot of money. And as far as your salary history, you made your money in a VERY different time period. Take this exerpt for example:

"Bill Levitt won a reputation as the young man to see for high-end housing along Long Island's North Shore -- the Gold Coast. Indeed, by the fall of 1933, the Levitts were growing rich building the 200-house North Strathmore development in Manhasset -- priced between $9,100 and $18,500. Through 1941, the Levitts built another 1,200 homes in Manhasset, Great Neck and Westchester County." -- Click for Story URL

I just did a quick check and the cheapest listing in Manhasset today is $765,000. Try that with a regional pilot's salaray. Even at $100K a year, you're not touching that town. Suffice to say, something isn't quite right.

 

[737 Pylt]

I have been living the dream since 1947.

Do you know what that makes you??-------------------------------------------->OLD!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
737

 

[Freight Dog]

Again the Dept of Labor puts $100K in the upper 5% of wages earners in the US, what is wrong with that number? If you do not make $100K as a pilot what job will give you that income?. I have never topped $100K, I own a house, an airplane and have decent retirement all set up. I have been living the dream since 1947.

A store manager at In'N'Out makes 100k.

http://www.in-n-out.com/employment_restaurant.asp

For those not in SoCal, In'N'Out is a fast food joint and the home of Double-Double.

 

[pilotyip]

Frgtdog, Good that puts the In and Out guy in the upper 5% of all wage earners. For Ninja, one of our pilots who makesin the mid 70's jsut bought a house about 50 miles from Fargo ND, for $6,000, payment with taxes $57 per month. He pays 4 times as much for his crash pad at YIP.

 

[CrownandCoke]

For those not in SoCal, In'N'Out is a fast food joint and the home of Double-Double.

is this Double-Double good?:beer:

 

[CoATP]

Perhaps the In'N'Out manager is living their dream as well. Or perhaps they are b*tching at the burgerinfo.com web site about the "race to the grease pit."

 

[PCL_128]

Again the Dept of Labor puts $100K in the upper 5% of wages earners in the US, what is wrong with that number? If you do not make $100K as a pilot what job will give you that income?.

Doctor, lawyer, real estate agent, car salesman, restaurant manager, chef, nurse, middle manager, upper manager, etc....

There are lots of jobs that top $100k. Making that some sort of cutoff for having a great income is ridiculous. That may have been a good number 25 years ago, but it just isn't applicable anymore.

I have never topped $100K, I own a house, an airplane and have decent retirement all set up. I have been living the dream since 1947.

You seem to think that the rest of us should be happy with $100k just because you never managed to get above it in your life. Why do you have to keep saying that "I've never topped $100k."? You say it in almost every thread. How is that relevant? Honestly, I don't care how many airplanes, boats, houses, cars, or anything else you have. If you're happy living in Ypsilant for $95,000 a year, then good for you. The rest of us want a little bit more.

 

[TurboAWD]

Frgtdog, Good that puts the In and Out guy in the upper 5% of all wage earners. For Ninja, one of our pilots who makesin the mid 70's jsut bought a house about 50 miles from Fargo ND, for $6,000, payment with taxes $57 per month. He pays 4 times as much for his crash pad at YIP.

50 miles from Fargo? That would be Middleofrigginnowhere, right?
So, the solution to low airline pay is to move to area so desolate that they practically give it away. Great. By the way, did that $6000 include the outhouse?

As for jobs that make 100k/yr, car mechanic for one. Plumbers and Electricians for another... (around here, probably not in Middleofrgginnowhere)

Turbo (who probably wouldn't buy an airplane even if I made $250k/yr)

 

[BoilerUP]

Wow, what thread creep...

Income is also directly proportional to location. 100k in the northeast or SoCal is like 60-70K in the midwest (CMH, IND, STL, etc) with cost of living & tax differences...

 

[737 Pylt]

Wow, what thread creep...

Income is also directly proportional to location. 100k in the northeast or SoCal is like 60-70K in the midwest (CMH, IND, STL, etc) with cost of living & tax differences...

Be careful about posting something like that....Ther are those on these boards that think I was gloating over a $100,000 paycheck. You might be accused of the same thing by some of these girls that get their panties in a wad easily!
737

 

[pilotyip]

PLC, thank you for recognizing my happiness, it makes my day. I have never said you should be happy that is your choice. I have only said I am happy. I would change little in my career and I am coming into retirement in good shape. I am still living my childhood dream.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

PLC, thank you for recognizing my happiness, it makes my day. I have never said you should be happy that is your choice. I have only said I am happy. I would change little in my career and I am coming into retirement in good shape. I am still living my childhood dream.

Yippie-

If you are happy and content making less than 100k why are you trying to concince us....that you are?

 

[pilotyip]

What is happiness?

Who is convincing anyone? Who is to define my happiness? is it money?, is it looking back on your career and seeing something positive about everything you have done, is it where I live? I love YIP, flying old war birds, changing weather,reasonable cost of living, squadron reunions. Again who is to define my happiness beyond me? If you would not be happy as me, then you should not be me. But to say I should be unhappy by your standards is not anyone's to judge. I do not judge anyone else’s happiness; therefore no one should judge mine. I have much to be thankful for when I look back at growing longer list of friends who did not make it this far. I would change little, it has been an adventure.

 

[FreightNazi]

you got this off the UND website, I'm sure. UND has a CRJ sim that many regionals have used and liked. ASA reduces their minimums for any UND student that has gone through the CRJ program.

As for the low time, who cares? I am not making decisions in the left seat, I don't have the experience for that. I talked to a high time ASA person, who said they like hiring with low time because "we can hire you on before you have developed bad habits". 500 hours, 1500 hours, 2500 hours, who cares? I'm sick of people telling me unless I have 15000 hours I am inexperienced.

You just contradicted yourself! Face it, you ARE inexperienced.

 

[30West]

Hey; guys are landing jets on aircraft carriers at night with less than 500 hours, time doesn't define capability.

Also, that next Lufthansa A340 or JAL777 you get on might have a 500 hour F/O up front, from ab initio programs.

There is a difference between Ability and Experience.
At my previous airline I spent 6 years training new hire F/O's as well as Captain upgrades.
For awhile we went through a period where we hired F/O's around the 500 hour mark. As far as flying skills, the majority were sharp and were glad to be where they were. They didn't have the EXPERIENCE to be a captain, but could certainly find an airport to land in case the captain died. After a couple years in the right seat, then they will have the EXPERIENCE to become a captain.
I've been an F/O on the DC-10 for just under two years flying into some of the worst ********************holes on earth, where your safety is determined more by CNN than the Weather Channel. At over 8,000TT I am more than comfortable enough to fly the aircraft in case my captain checks out, but no way would I upgrade until I get more experience in different parts of the world and the operation in general. Flying the aircraft is but a fraction of the skillset in this job. BTW this was my first jet, but didn't find anything overly difficult about it. I was glad to be there and I got out of the training exactly what I put into it.
Same ********************, but on a larger scale.

So all you "high time", "worldwise" RJ captains out there, don't forget the next move you make will once again render you the "little fish". But what you make of your training will determine your success.

Not saying everyone with 500 hours should make it. But not every 1-2000 hour guy makes it either. And no, I didn't have 500 at my first job. I'm from a time when at 2300TT I was the low timer of the class.

 

[relief tube]

we can argue about experience till we're blue in the face.

What should be agreed upon is that it's too bad for Mesaba, with better contract, is hurting big time while PCL with not even block or better is apparently still hiring.