Pinnacle 40k bonus's :(

[Carl_Spackler]

If seniority doesn't mean all of those things, then why do senior people get all of those things. I never said anything about it being right or fair, just an observation of reality.

 

[altimaklr]

Thanks to high attrition in the past years, "seniority" at Pinnacle has meant screwing FO's for the sake of lifer captains, as well as 21 day off schedules for senior guys and 8-day off hell for reserves. Sorry guys, the game is over.

 

[cmrflyer]

This is a union. Unions have seniority. Seniority is everything. Pay, schedules, vacation, upgrades, etc. Even bonuses, senior guys get more than junior guys.

I don't see junior guys complain when someone senior to them gets to upgrade, or gets a better schedule, or do the same job for a higher pay rate.

Not true, wait until you get an assesment, that makes everyone on the pilot list pay the same amount every month. Your statement is bogus!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Thanks to high attrition in the past years, "seniority" at Pinnacle has meant screwing FO's for the sake of lifer captains, as well as 21 day off schedules for senior guys and 8-day off hell for reserves. Sorry guys, the game is over.

Hasn't part of the "screw the FOs" been the responsibility of those that went in search of a quick upgrade as well? That's how the RAH FO's got jammed with a 4-year FO payscale for all these years.

Glad to see you guys standing up for yourselves with this one.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Not true, wait until you get an assesment, that makes everyone on the pilot list pay the same amount every month. Your statement is bogus!

Are you talking about an assessment, as in union dues? Or is there some kinda special fee that we have to pay ALPA on occasion?

 

[sweptback]

Are you talking about an assessment, as in union dues? Or is there some kinda special fee that we have to pay ALPA on occasion?

Assessments can be done different ways, too. The furlough COBRA assessment that ASA pilots voted in is a percentage of income.

 

[DX Rick]

Not true, wait until you get an assesment, that makes everyone on the pilot list pay the same amount every month. Your statement is bogus!

Exactly, just like it's happening to us.
They got their big pay out check after BK, but our Merger Assesment fee, the most senior captain pays the exact same as the most junior FO.
They should be paying more since they have more to lose than the FO's.

 

[PCL_128]

Seniority doesn't mean the best schedules, top heavy payscales, best vacation, best retirement, etc... at the expense of the junior pilots....

Um, yeah, it kinda does.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

somebody agrees with me on this thread, and it happens to be PCL_128

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Um, yeah, it kinda does.

Sure it does... that is the current reality... and part of the problem....

B scales are simply a gross manifestation of it all.....

As long as there is unreasonable economic disparity amongst airline pilots there will always be cracks in unity to leverage and exploit....

The more we are economically one... the more we are unified... a unified professional labor force is the best answer we've got too saving the profession....

 

[PCL_128]

Sure it does... that is the current reality... and part of the problem....

How is it a problem? Seniority should have its privileges. It's ridiculous to think that a 12-year pilot should get the same vacation benefits as a 2-year pilot.

B scales are simply a gross manifestation of it all.....

Come on, B-scales are a very different issue. A B-scale sets a different rate for a 1-year pilot hired today than a 1-year pilot hired yesterday. That's not senoirity, that's second class citizenship.

As long as there is unreasonable economic disparity amongst airline pilots there will always be cracks in unity to leverage and exploit....

The more we are economically one... the more we are unified... a unified professional labor force is the best answer we've got too saving the profession....

Spreading around the misery is no way to build unity. It will do just the opposite. Tell the top half of the seniority list that they need to sacrifice so some of their pay can be redistributed to the bottom half of the seniority list and see how "unified" everyone is. Bad idea.

 

[flyf15]

Aside from select few that take on additional responsibilities (ie: checkairmen), we all do the same job. We fulfill the requirements of our position and transport people from point A to point B. As long as you're capable of legally and safely doing it, why should one pilot be paid significantly more (sometimes even twice as many) or have significantly more days off (sometimes even twice as many) than another for doing the exact same job? Their additional experience nets no noticible savings for the company in being able to better perform their job.

Sure, you should be rewarded for commitment to and longevity with your company, but is one super senior pilot really worth as much to the company as two junior ones? Absolutely not. In the first case you have an employee getting people from one airport to the other. In the second case you have two newer employees getting people from two airports to two others.

Its time to close the gap. Bring the bottom up. I can see a 20% spread between bottom and top pay, but 100%+? Don't kid yourself, you're not that important. You're doing the same job.

 

[TurboAWD]

There is too much spread in the pay and QOL. It undermines ALPA as well.

Turbo

 

[redflyer65]

Ummm....the average of the top 100 was more like $18,000. Don't you read your email from the MEC?

And your OK with that?

 

[jonjuan]

Um, yeah, it kinda does.

Owned-rezolushun is out to lunch, permanently.