Pinnacle 40k bonus's :(

[sweptback]

Are you talking about an assessment, as in union dues? Or is there some kinda special fee that we have to pay ALPA on occasion?

Assessments can be done different ways, too. The furlough COBRA assessment that ASA pilots voted in is a percentage of income.

 

[DX Rick]

Not true, wait until you get an assesment, that makes everyone on the pilot list pay the same amount every month. Your statement is bogus!

Exactly, just like it's happening to us.
They got their big pay out check after BK, but our Merger Assesment fee, the most senior captain pays the exact same as the most junior FO.
They should be paying more since they have more to lose than the FO's.

 

[PCL_128]

Seniority doesn't mean the best schedules, top heavy payscales, best vacation, best retirement, etc... at the expense of the junior pilots....

Um, yeah, it kinda does.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

somebody agrees with me on this thread, and it happens to be PCL_128

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Um, yeah, it kinda does.

Sure it does... that is the current reality... and part of the problem....

B scales are simply a gross manifestation of it all.....

As long as there is unreasonable economic disparity amongst airline pilots there will always be cracks in unity to leverage and exploit....

The more we are economically one... the more we are unified... a unified professional labor force is the best answer we've got too saving the profession....

 

[PCL_128]

Sure it does... that is the current reality... and part of the problem....

How is it a problem? Seniority should have its privileges. It's ridiculous to think that a 12-year pilot should get the same vacation benefits as a 2-year pilot.

B scales are simply a gross manifestation of it all.....

Come on, B-scales are a very different issue. A B-scale sets a different rate for a 1-year pilot hired today than a 1-year pilot hired yesterday. That's not senoirity, that's second class citizenship.

As long as there is unreasonable economic disparity amongst airline pilots there will always be cracks in unity to leverage and exploit....

The more we are economically one... the more we are unified... a unified professional labor force is the best answer we've got too saving the profession....

Spreading around the misery is no way to build unity. It will do just the opposite. Tell the top half of the seniority list that they need to sacrifice so some of their pay can be redistributed to the bottom half of the seniority list and see how "unified" everyone is. Bad idea.

 

[flyf15]

Aside from select few that take on additional responsibilities (ie: checkairmen), we all do the same job. We fulfill the requirements of our position and transport people from point A to point B. As long as you're capable of legally and safely doing it, why should one pilot be paid significantly more (sometimes even twice as many) or have significantly more days off (sometimes even twice as many) than another for doing the exact same job? Their additional experience nets no noticible savings for the company in being able to better perform their job.

Sure, you should be rewarded for commitment to and longevity with your company, but is one super senior pilot really worth as much to the company as two junior ones? Absolutely not. In the first case you have an employee getting people from one airport to the other. In the second case you have two newer employees getting people from two airports to two others.

Its time to close the gap. Bring the bottom up. I can see a 20% spread between bottom and top pay, but 100%+? Don't kid yourself, you're not that important. You're doing the same job.

 

[TurboAWD]

There is too much spread in the pay and QOL. It undermines ALPA as well.

Turbo

 

[redflyer65]

Ummm....the average of the top 100 was more like $18,000. Don't you read your email from the MEC?

And your OK with that?

 

[jonjuan]

Um, yeah, it kinda does.

Owned-rezolushun is out to lunch, permanently.

 

[COOPERVANE]

If it's a SIGNING BONUS it should be the same value for every signature.

I always liked the duration of the negotiations longevity method.
$8/day for everyday you worked here during negotiations only

2 month employee? $600
4 year employee, regardless of seat position $11,000
No extra pay for the 15 year guys that got a signing bonus the previous 2 contracts!



The greed that is displayed by the common man in this country will be it's downfall

 

[PCL_128]

How does that make sense? A signing bonus should be loosely based on what retro pay would be, not just some arbitrary number for each month you've worked there.

 

[sweptback]

How does that make sense? A signing bonus should be loosely based on what retro pay would be, not just some arbitrary number for each month you've worked there.

It only makes sense if you're junior and want more money at the expense of others.

 

[Flybywire44]

ASA's ALPA restructured the signing bonus last minute to favor the more senior pilots right before the contract was signed... :-/

 

[PCL_128]

It only makes sense if you're junior and want more money at the expense of others.

Exactly.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying that the PCL TA bonus structure was fair (I haven't even really looked at it), but saying that everyone should get the same amount is ridiculous.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Once again I advocate the Beyond Thunderdome approach to divvying up the signing bonus.

Everybody gets locked in a MX hangar. First person knocked out gets the least amount, last person standing gets the most. I can't think of a more fair way to fix this.

(this also works well with seniority integrations)

 

[sweptback]

ASA's ALPA restructured the signing bonus last minute to favor the more senior pilots right before the contract was signed... :-/

I remember being given a signing bonus briefing at the road show I went to. They stopped short of saying actual numbers, but they said the formula for figuring it out, and some enterprising individual left a spreadsheet printout in the lounge. It was pretty close to the actual amount.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Sounds like Fight Club

 

[Sig]

(this also works well with seniority integrations)

LOL! It would look like Kimbo Slice vs a sugartank FA.

 

[LawReview]

I think it's 1.95 percent for everyone, so yes, the senior guy is paying more than the junior guy

I think he's talking about assesments not dues.