Pinnacle 40k bonus's :(

Ridgeback

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I hope every 9e pilot see's the b.s. it was to have the top 100 pilots get on average $40,000 wile the lowly fo gets a few hundred bucks...

Good job voting down the contract now you just need to get the selfish leaders out as well
 

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Ummm....the average of the top 100 was more like $18,000. Don't you read your email from the MEC?
 

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This is a union. Unions have seniority. Seniority is everything. Pay, schedules, vacation, upgrades, etc. Even bonuses, senior guys get more than junior guys.

I don't see junior guys complain when someone senior to them gets to upgrade, or gets a better schedule, or do the same job for a higher pay rate.
 

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This is a union. Unions have seniority. Seniority is everything. Pay, schedules, vacation, upgrades, etc. Even bonuses, senior guys get more than junior guys.

I don't see junior guys complain when someone senior to them gets to upgrade, or gets a better schedule, or do the same job for a higher pay rate.
seniority should entitle pilots to certain benefits such as schedules, vacation, and upgrades. However if you like the idea of retiring rich the current system is like dangling a carrot that can never be reached.

A flatter pay scale would allow you to invest more when you are younger. With the power of compound interest it would be easy to retire with twice as much money. Even if you invest the same amount in later years.

I know you are thinking I'm just saying this because I'm young and selfish but that couldn't be further from the truth. First it's too late for me to retire rich and I feel like breaking the mold of the typical selfish pilot and leave a positive legacy unlike the baby boomer's step on the new guys in attempts to regain a fraction of what was.
 

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Ridgeback, where do you get all that crazy math? No pilot would have gotten anywhere near 40k. None would have gotten a few hundred bucks either. A very junior FO would have gotten somewhere around 2k and a 4-5 year CA would have got about 8k. The top would have got about 15K. Many of the union leaders were not even close to the top money.
 

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Stop it Aircombat! None of that rational talk shtuff on the message boards!
 

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Bonuses are extremely low on the contract ladder. A bad contract can make a large bonus irrelevant in a matter of months.
 

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seniority should entitle pilots to certain benefits such as schedules, vacation, and upgrades. However if you like the idea of retiring rich the current system is like dangling a carrot that can never be reached.

A flatter pay scale would allow you to invest more when you are younger. With the power of compound interest it would be easy to retire with twice as much money. Even if you invest the same amount in later years.

I know you are thinking I'm just saying this because I'm young and selfish but that couldn't be further from the truth. First it's too late for me to retire rich and I feel like breaking the mold of the typical selfish pilot and leave a positive legacy unlike the baby boomer's step on the new guys in attempts to regain a fraction of what was.
I don't disagree with you at all about more money invested at a younger age whould help one retire with more money. I was just pointing out the irony of FO's having a problem with senior people getting more bonus money, but don't have a problem with them getting better schedules, pay, vacation.
 

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I was just pointing out the irony of FO's having a problem with senior people getting more bonus money,
Mr. Carl Spackler, why dont you get all the facts before you rip on Pinnacle FOs. Every FO at Pinnacle has a right to be pis$ed at our union. It was our union reps who turned down a pay increase LOA for FOs in 2007, for stronger leverage in contract negotiations. And now that we got a TA, it blowed to begin with. So what did we really give up to get this POS TA? The final nail in the coffin was making the bonus distribution tied 100% to W2 wages from the past few years. This screwed over every FO by the MEC. One, for having pay rates turned down that would have meant over 10,000 to 15,000 more for FOs from 2007 to 2009, and two, for having a bonus distribution that now is based solely on W2 wages. SInce the pay increase never happened, every single Pinnacle FO who has been here since 2006 got hosed big time, because the bonus split was tied directly to W2 earnings, thanks to MEC decisions.
 
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Flyer, It would be better if you quoted a whole sentence and not just the first part.

Why have FO's only now began to be vocal about the MEC turning down pay FO pay raises in '07? It seems back then, most of the FO's were ok with it, thinking it would give the union enough leverage, given the hiring situation, to get a TA. Well, it looks like that roll of the dice came up craps. The fact that the union made a decision that back fired does not entitle anyone to a bigger slice of the signing bonus pie.... the signing bonus that was intended to make up for the lost COLA.

None of this changes the fact that the seniority system will benefit those with more seniority, which has been the point of my posts so far. Do you disagree with that?
 

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Why have FO's only now began to be vocal about the MEC turning down pay FO pay raises in '07?
None of us expected that when the TA came out, it would fall so short of expectations.

It was a gesture of faith given to our MEC. A gesture that was not returned in either the quality of the TA or distribution of the bonus.

Next time, distribution must be more fair or it we'll vote it down again.
 

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This is a union. Unions have seniority. Seniority is everything. Pay, schedules, vacation, upgrades, etc. Even bonuses, senior guys get more than junior guys.

I don't see junior guys complain when someone senior to them gets to upgrade, or gets a better schedule, or do the same job for a higher pay rate.
That's the biggest BS thing out there.
Yes Seniority means everything and when it would be paid out in an instance like this, the senior guys would get a lot more than the junior guys.
But when an assesment fee is to be owed by the pilot group has the senior guys pay the same ammount as the junior guys....when really they should be paying more, since they have more on the line.
Another problem with ALPA.
 

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I think it's 1.95 percent for everyone, so yes, the senior guy is paying more than the junior guy
 

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Seniority means you get a paycheck longer than the junior guy. You can see writing on the wall a lot further out... isn't that enough?

Seniority doesn't mean the best schedules, top heavy payscales, best vacation, best retirement, etc... at the expense of the junior pilots...

Talk about having your cake and eating it too!


We are all the same. CA should get paid more than FOs. Pay, QOL and benefits should be reasonably in line with all pilots. The current gaping hole between junior pilots and senior ones has got to stop.....
 

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If seniority doesn't mean all of those things, then why do senior people get all of those things. I never said anything about it being right or fair, just an observation of reality.
 

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Thanks to high attrition in the past years, "seniority" at Pinnacle has meant screwing FO's for the sake of lifer captains, as well as 21 day off schedules for senior guys and 8-day off hell for reserves. Sorry guys, the game is over.
 

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This is a union. Unions have seniority. Seniority is everything. Pay, schedules, vacation, upgrades, etc. Even bonuses, senior guys get more than junior guys.

I don't see junior guys complain when someone senior to them gets to upgrade, or gets a better schedule, or do the same job for a higher pay rate.
Not true, wait until you get an assesment, that makes everyone on the pilot list pay the same amount every month. Your statement is bogus!
 

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Thanks to high attrition in the past years, "seniority" at Pinnacle has meant screwing FO's for the sake of lifer captains, as well as 21 day off schedules for senior guys and 8-day off hell for reserves. Sorry guys, the game is over.
Hasn't part of the "screw the FOs" been the responsibility of those that went in search of a quick upgrade as well? That's how the RAH FO's got jammed with a 4-year FO payscale for all these years.

Glad to see you guys standing up for yourselves with this one.
 

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Not true, wait until you get an assesment, that makes everyone on the pilot list pay the same amount every month. Your statement is bogus!
Are you talking about an assessment, as in union dues? Or is there some kinda special fee that we have to pay ALPA on occasion?
 
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