Pilots making the NJA/NJI move!

[XTW]

How tough can the G's be? TC managed to qualify, and he's a SD3 driver!



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[h25b]

This is starting to look like another ambiguously worded contract that will end up with the company doing what it wants, the union grieving it and several years later the grievance being settled to no one's satisfaction.

I'm betting that this is exactly the situation ...

P.S.--Thanks, Fozzy, for clarifying your position. By any chance, were you on the APA BOD around 2000-2001?

ROTFLMAO...

 

[squonk]

Archie Bunker:

That is absolutely hilarious. The G-4 is so advanced and its mission so difficult to master that it will require 2 years IOE for any incoming Capt.......please excuse my laughter.

It is hilarious. I have five friends (three of whom I flew with at NJA) who have moved over (or up) to NJI. If memory serves me well, two had never flown a God bird before. I don't think they sat on IOE for two years either. Why would there be such a rule now?

I think this says more about the culture over at NJI than anything. BTW, any NJI brothers want to fill us in on IOE as it is structured now? How many hours do the newly anointed ride IOE as it stands?

 

[flyjetspeed]

And what do you have to base that on???
2 years IOE?!? Is it the space shuttle!?! Give it a rest. 100 hours max. Now get over it.

The question you should be asking is what of all the FO's. To stir the pot..........
My prediction is that they will see the left seat (in the G-wiz) when their DOH seniorty can hold it. In about 10-15 years.
How do like them apples.

Geez Fozzy do you always come out swinging whenever someone has a view you
don't agree with? I suppose I should be gratefull you did'nt call me a moron or
lower yourself to profanity like you usually do.
In response to your jumping conclusion that the GIV/GV is some space shuttle
type machine, of course that is absurd. Any pilot with experience in an automated
cockpit would transition without difficulty,as many have in the past.
What I WAS trying to say is that the tradition/policy/work rule at NJI has always been
that prior longevity outside of NJI is not credited. The clock is set to 00:00. All NJA
and EJM crewmembers that have come over, and there have been many, as well as returning
crewmembers from any other operation, have started over. I apologize for the 2 year WAG.
It was based on nothing. Current upgrades are at 4 years, or so, and that would be a more
realistic expectation for any NJA Captain making the move.
My intent here is not combative at all, rather to foster open debate and share views with
other professionals. Even you!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Lastly all NJA and NJI pilots are now on a “Virtual Seniority List at NJI for all purposes for which seniority is used at NJI.” This could be construed to be the same as it always has at NJI. Seniority for the purpose of upgrade in the GIV is by date of hire IN THE GULFSTREAM regardless of previous NJA, EJM, and etc. time in service. Same for Upgrade to Captain in the GV. If it goes this way we will have the highest paid F/O’s in the world for 4-6 years.[/font]

Actually, nobody is "now on" the virtual seniority list, as it is still being worked on by the union and the company.
Captain positions will be based on the virtual seniority list. I guarantee you that list won't be based on Gulfstream DOH. Captains moving from NJA to NJI no longer have to quit NJA to make the move, so your description of how it's always been does not apply. The language:
"NJA employees will be offered on the basis of NJA seniority one-third of the NJI GIV Captain posted vacancies"
One third of the Captain positions will be awarded to NJA employees, based on NJA seniority. They will not be the "highest-paid FO's in the world'" though I'm sure you'd prefer it that way.

 

[gunfyter]

it will affect very few people ... all far senior to me.... I will never fly a NJ G-IV and neither will 90% of the people on the seniority list.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

How tough can the G's be? TC managed to qualify, and he's a SD3 driver!

Truth be told, TC isn’t a pilot at all. After a short stint as a professional women’s softball referee, he was a ramper for TWA in St. Louis.

He now owns and runs a small comic book shop in Indianapolis.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Plus, getting that GIV/GV type rating would be quite valuable. I'm sure you could earn a pretty penny on the side with the GIV/V rating...

True and not true.

Living in TEB, PBI, LAS, VNY, HPN would have a lot to do with how much contract flying your willing (and offered) to do.



Now.... my turn to ask a question....


After the IBT gets its way with management, and everything goes their way; when do I get my Citation Ultra type rating so I can sling the gear for Fozzy, and Flylow. (and do anything else they tell me too).

 

[FLYLOW22]

True and not true.

Living in TEB, PBI, LAS, VNY, HPN would have a lot to do with how much contract flying your willing (and offered) to do.



Now.... my turn to ask a question....


After the IBT gets its way with management, and everything goes their way; when do I get my Citation Ultra type rating so I can sling the gear for Fozzy, and Flylow. (and do anything else they tell me too).

You want a Citation type?

 

[ghostrider64]

Hey I want to clarify something here. If I can go from flying that SD3 at 200 TAS to the X doing .9+ then anyone can. I'm no NASA expert just a plain ole ordinary pilot. None of what we do was invented by us. We just learned the video game rules.

I'm growing tired of the NJA guys will never by "released" Captains garbage. Most of the NJA guys heading to the G program will be senior to the guys presently flying the "netjets" G's. Yes folks the sooner we all realize that it is in fact the same company the sooner we can bury the hatchet and start working together. I mean isn't in the present G guys best interest to "teach" the new captains everything they can? It wont do anyone any good if you failed to teach them and they screw up under the "NETJETS" brand.

But of course you could always yell the crappy "I told you so" but I will be whispering in your ear it was probably your fault for not teaching him the ropes...

Happy trails sky gods all........

 

[Archie Bunker]

After the IBT gets its way with management, and everything goes their way; when do I get my Citation Ultra type rating so I can sling the gear for Fozzy, and Flylow. (and do anything else they tell me too).

My guess is......when your seniority will allow you to do so.

I know that actually having to pull gear for Fozzy and Flylow in a yucky little Ultra is beneath the talent of a superior Gulfstream pilot (such as yourself), but I wouldn't place it out of the realm of possibility, given that the seniority list integration issue is far from settled. What did you say your date of hire was.........??

But I digress...........This whole seniority list integration issue between NJA and NJI will be the single most important thing that will affect the quality of life (QOL) for all pilots concerned. Whether date of hire (DOH), or DOH with fences, or stapled to the bottom is decided as the integration method, I think that it would be in the best interest of both parties (especially the NJI guys) to negotiate some sort of compromise sooner, than later.

As an outsider looking in, I think that the longer the NJI pilots wait to come to the table with some sort of negotiation process to this issue, the more it will hurt them. I can't speak for the NJA pilots, but if there was no progress made on this issue 2 years and 10 months down the road, I would be not be a happy camper. I would be letting my union reps know that it's time to play hardball, and go "all in" if it comes down to a mediation board. Hopefully it won't come down to that.

The key to resolving this issue will be open communications between the pilot groups, and a willingness to compromise. Believe me, a negotiated agreement is far superior to an imposed mandate of the court/mediation board.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The key to resolving this issue will be open communications between the pilot groups, and a willingness to compromise. Believe me, a negotiated agreement is far superior to an imposed mandate of the court/mediation board.

This is not meant as a criticism, AB, but who will speak for the pilot group at NJI? They don't have a union or an association or any formal organization that I am aware of.

 

[G100driver]

Presently $1500.00 a day for an experienced GV/G550 Captain...

Did the NJI guy on board the "doomed" Nike jet get any extra pay for saving the day with his 3500/hour "captain."

 

[Archie Bunker]

This is not meant as a criticism, AB, but who will speak for the pilot group at NJI? They don't have a union or an association or any formal organization that I am aware of.

That is an excellent question.

I don't work for NJI, so I have no idea. Any NJI pilots care to pipe in?

 

[Archie Bunker]

Did the NJI guy on board the "doomed" Nike jet get any extra pay for saving the day with his 3500/hour "captain."

Ooohhh.....sounds like a juicy story. Please give us the lowdown.