Pilots making the NJA/NJI move!

[gunfyter]

it will affect very few people ... all far senior to me.... I will never fly a NJ G-IV and neither will 90% of the people on the seniority list.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

How tough can the G's be? TC managed to qualify, and he's a SD3 driver!

Truth be told, TC isn’t a pilot at all. After a short stint as a professional women’s softball referee, he was a ramper for TWA in St. Louis.

He now owns and runs a small comic book shop in Indianapolis.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Plus, getting that GIV/GV type rating would be quite valuable. I'm sure you could earn a pretty penny on the side with the GIV/V rating...

True and not true.

Living in TEB, PBI, LAS, VNY, HPN would have a lot to do with how much contract flying your willing (and offered) to do.



Now.... my turn to ask a question....


After the IBT gets its way with management, and everything goes their way; when do I get my Citation Ultra type rating so I can sling the gear for Fozzy, and Flylow. (and do anything else they tell me too).

 

[FLYLOW22]

True and not true.

Living in TEB, PBI, LAS, VNY, HPN would have a lot to do with how much contract flying your willing (and offered) to do.



Now.... my turn to ask a question....


After the IBT gets its way with management, and everything goes their way; when do I get my Citation Ultra type rating so I can sling the gear for Fozzy, and Flylow. (and do anything else they tell me too).

You want a Citation type?

 

[ghostrider64]

Hey I want to clarify something here. If I can go from flying that SD3 at 200 TAS to the X doing .9+ then anyone can. I'm no NASA expert just a plain ole ordinary pilot. None of what we do was invented by us. We just learned the video game rules.

I'm growing tired of the NJA guys will never by "released" Captains garbage. Most of the NJA guys heading to the G program will be senior to the guys presently flying the "netjets" G's. Yes folks the sooner we all realize that it is in fact the same company the sooner we can bury the hatchet and start working together. I mean isn't in the present G guys best interest to "teach" the new captains everything they can? It wont do anyone any good if you failed to teach them and they screw up under the "NETJETS" brand.

But of course you could always yell the crappy "I told you so" but I will be whispering in your ear it was probably your fault for not teaching him the ropes...

Happy trails sky gods all........

 

[Archie Bunker]

After the IBT gets its way with management, and everything goes their way; when do I get my Citation Ultra type rating so I can sling the gear for Fozzy, and Flylow. (and do anything else they tell me too).

My guess is......when your seniority will allow you to do so.

I know that actually having to pull gear for Fozzy and Flylow in a yucky little Ultra is beneath the talent of a superior Gulfstream pilot (such as yourself), but I wouldn't place it out of the realm of possibility, given that the seniority list integration issue is far from settled. What did you say your date of hire was.........??

But I digress...........This whole seniority list integration issue between NJA and NJI will be the single most important thing that will affect the quality of life (QOL) for all pilots concerned. Whether date of hire (DOH), or DOH with fences, or stapled to the bottom is decided as the integration method, I think that it would be in the best interest of both parties (especially the NJI guys) to negotiate some sort of compromise sooner, than later.

As an outsider looking in, I think that the longer the NJI pilots wait to come to the table with some sort of negotiation process to this issue, the more it will hurt them. I can't speak for the NJA pilots, but if there was no progress made on this issue 2 years and 10 months down the road, I would be not be a happy camper. I would be letting my union reps know that it's time to play hardball, and go "all in" if it comes down to a mediation board. Hopefully it won't come down to that.

The key to resolving this issue will be open communications between the pilot groups, and a willingness to compromise. Believe me, a negotiated agreement is far superior to an imposed mandate of the court/mediation board.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The key to resolving this issue will be open communications between the pilot groups, and a willingness to compromise. Believe me, a negotiated agreement is far superior to an imposed mandate of the court/mediation board.

This is not meant as a criticism, AB, but who will speak for the pilot group at NJI? They don't have a union or an association or any formal organization that I am aware of.

 

[G100driver]

Presently $1500.00 a day for an experienced GV/G550 Captain...

Did the NJI guy on board the "doomed" Nike jet get any extra pay for saving the day with his 3500/hour "captain."

 

[Archie Bunker]

This is not meant as a criticism, AB, but who will speak for the pilot group at NJI? They don't have a union or an association or any formal organization that I am aware of.

That is an excellent question.

I don't work for NJI, so I have no idea. Any NJI pilots care to pipe in?

 

[Archie Bunker]

Did the NJI guy on board the "doomed" Nike jet get any extra pay for saving the day with his 3500/hour "captain."

Ooohhh.....sounds like a juicy story. Please give us the lowdown.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Any NJI pilots care to pipe in?

Why? Our opinion doesnt count, just ask anyone.

And I'm sure if someone did speak up, the reply would be, (let me remember, I want to get this right),

"Shut up and go get the news papers, release, and crew food."


PS. Im learning how to play X-Box with my oldest kid so I can "whoop some tail" (her words, not mine) against my Ultra Captain.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I mean isn't in the present G guys best interest to "teach" the new captains everything they can? It wont do anyone any good if you failed to teach them and they screw up under the "NETJETS" brand.

On a serious note. Anyone who comes over to fly at NJI will find the training, and the pilots top notch. Our training staff is top quality, our CP's the best in the world, and my fellow pilots are a lot of fun to work with (except 1). Anyone NJA pilot who carries himself (or her) like a normal person will receive a warm welcome...

I will say, NJA pilots will have to get use to eating dinner together... slam clickers are not tolerated.

 

[AA717driver]

It's true, I was a women's softball ref in STL for awhile. I got tired of having to wear hiking boots, flannel shirts and drive a Subaru Forrester while posing as a lesbian.

I was never a ramper at TWA (my W2's are way to low for that...). I'm not smart enough to own my own business.

X--I'll have you know... F' it. Never mind. TC

P.S.--John M. says to tell you you're an a$$**le!

 

[Archie Bunker]

Why? Our opinion doesnt count, just ask anyone.

I think that Guitar Guy asked a very important and appropriate question. Seriously, who do you guys have at NJI to represent your interests concerning the integration of seniority lists? Do you have some sort of a pilot committee that communicates your expectations to management on this very important matter, or do you just trust the mgmt folks (or possibly Mr. Santulli all alone) to negotiate for the pilots in absentia (so to speak). The issue of seniority integration just isn't going to go away if you ignore it. If I were an NJI pilot, I would want to take a proactive approach, and try to come to an agreement that is fair and equitable to everyone as soon as possible. I think the longer it takes to come up with a solution to this issue, the more the animosity increases between the two pilot groups. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

PS. Im learning how to play X-Box with my oldest kid so I can "whoop some tail" (her words, not mine) against my Ultra Captain.

Maybe it's me, but I find your sense of humor extremely lacking. Could you possibly be any more condescending towards NJA pilots? I have a feeling that they may be having the last laugh concerning the whole seniority integration list issue. Time will tell.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Seriously, who do you guys have at NJI to represent your interests concerning the integration of seniority lists?

We've got this really cool lady that works in payroll, we call her "Granny", everybody knows her!

She said she was going to work everything out for us, and that we "shouldn't worry ourselves".

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Maybe it's me, but I find your sense of humor extremely lacking.

Ol come on Archie... TC thinks I'm funny...

But then again he's just another "Gulfstream Pilot"...


Tell ya what though, I wont quit my day job.

 

[Archie Bunker]

We've got this really cool lady that works in payroll, we call her "Granny", everybody knows her!

She said she was going to work everything out for us, and that we "shouldn't worry ourselves".

Yeah, ok. So what you're telling me is the pilots of NJI have absolutely zero input on this issue. I guess management really does know what's best for you guys. Sounds like a great plan......I'm sure you'll be completely satisfied with your new position on the seniority list. Good luck.

 

[G4dude]

Yeah, ok. So what you're telling me is the pilots of NJI have absolutely zero input on this issue. I guess management really does know what's best for you guys. Sounds like a great plan......I'm sure you'll be completely satisfied with your new position on the seniority list. Good luck.

We have lots of input, just not as a group. We negotiate and network and kibbitz and discuss and complain and applaud as individuals. We never did have the desire to be "represented" by anybody. We do not begrudge others' desire to be a member of a group, but we ourselves want to function as individuals. This culture has worked wonderfully at NJI.
By the way, Wolfpackpilot is quite funny, and his posts are usually spot on. And ths comes from a Tarheel!

 

[FLYLOW22]

We've got this really cool lady that works in payroll, we call her "Granny", everybody knows her!

She said she was going to work everything out for us, and that we "shouldn't worry ourselves".

Granny retired years ago... sorry dude.

 

[ghostrider64]

Hey Wolfpack,

I'm sorry but being single I on occasion I get lucky and the slam click is music to my ears...Sorry I wont be tolerated




I will say, NJA pilots will have to get use to eating dinner together... slam clickers are not tolerated.[/quote]