Pilots allegedly report Ron White for Marijuana possession?

[400A]

BTW, a restaurant you may have heard of, "HOPS", tried making and selling their own mico-brewed beer with their own brewery's in each of their restaurants. They had to pay the government taxes on all the beer they sold.

They are either out of business after just a few years or going out of business. It doesn;t work.

Point is, if someone sets up a $100,000 brewery, they will be paying tax either way. Or they have to hide a big azz brewery and then try to illegally sell it to the public. Zero practicality. Selling pot is a cake walk.

Show me where I said anything about selling it.

 

[Fly91]

The gov't is more than happy to have us eager for the next CD or music album to drop, movie to see, gossip to listen and read about, Ipod to buy, etc.

We are kept distracted from the real important issues with diversions.

The best thing for the gov't is to keep the people dumb and not thinking.

Yup. I remember watching the O.J. Simpson trial when they had the Noble Prize winning doctor that invented DNA testing and then further invented and discovered mitocondria DNA testing which made it millions of times more accurate. He's a god and a legend in the medical world for what he's done.

On the witness stand, in open court, live on TV for the world to listen to. He was asked by the prosecution in an attempt to discredit him...."sir, is it true that you have taken LSD in your life?" He not only said yes, he said he still does it 4 times a year so as to expand his mind, which has helped him overcome obstacles in the past and helps him to make strides in DNA research and testing, and here's the funny part, he said to the prosecutor, "because of the work I've done and the LSD I've taken, and the medical breakthroughs I've made with DNA, you are now struggling to convict a man."

It was great, I'll never forget it.

 

[Fly91]

Are you high now? Because I just gave you the death numbers and marijuana kills 250% more users than alcohol does, as a percentage. Put down the dubbie and step away from the bong.

You can play the numbers game all you want and twist the meaning in percentages.

50,000 dead from alcohol

10 dead from MJ

Which line would you want to be standing in?

 

[Fly91]

Wrong again Chief. My brother and several friends make their own beer in the Kitchen and it is quite good.

Yeah, I have a friend that makes his own as well. But its like 6 bottle and its very hard to make those 6 bottles.

Don't try to change the subject. We're talking about making it for the masses. It would take a massive investment, licensing and you still have to pay taxes on what you sell. Thats like opening a bar. Why have a brewery built when you can just buy the beer from distributors?

Pot sales. If I wanted to to I can grow pot tomorrow, it'll be ready by the pounds in 2 months. I can sell it everywhere. And the government would never know. If it were LEGAL to sell pot, how on earth would the government get tax money from me...they wouldn't ever get a penny. And the millions of other Americans around the country would never pay the gov a penny either. It would be a failed attempt for the gov to earn taxes from legalizing pot.

If the gov cannot control something, regulate it, and enforce laws to stop people from doing something.....they also CANNOT collect taxes from it.

Alcohol is easily controlled, regulated and taxed.

Do you understand that now?

 

[Catfsh]

liability

Again ... innybody hazard a guess what the liability might be with the FAA if a pax is carrying and you're PICing?

Apparantly, Ron's pilots didnt have any problems.
Now, if your carrying a kilo they might question you a little indepth to find out how much you do know, but for a little amount that is not out in the open or for pharms in ones baggage, I cannot see how they would hold you responsable. I dont think they arrest the airline crews when a mule is discoverd at the airport....

 

[Fly91]

Wrong again when that second hand smoke makes you bust a piss test and you lose your job and license.

Well look, if you happen to be a person in a safety sensitive type of job that does not allow drugs in your system, stay the hell away from pot smoke. You would have to sit next to someone in a smoking area to breath it in.

You are splitting hairs and have gone off point.

 

[Fly91]

Show me where I said anything about selling it.

Thats the whole point of the issue. The gov making taxes from the sales.

If they can't make the taxes, they won't make it legal.

Have you ever beaten a dead horse?

 

[Fly91]

Apparantly, Ron's pilots didnt have any problems.
Now, if your carrying a kilo they might question you a little indepth to find out how much you do know, but for a little amount that is not out in the open or for pharms in ones baggage, I cannot see how they would hold you responsable. I dont think they arrest the airline crews when a mule is discoverd at the airport....

Part 91 flying is the only Part that holds crews responsible for whats found on a plane that is illegal.

 

[Catfsh]

Part 91 flying is the only Part that holds crews responsible for whats found on a plane that is illegal.

So did they arrest ol Ron's pilot out in California?
Dont think so.

 

[Fly91]

So did they arrest ol Ron's pilot out in California?
Dont think so.

Here we go. Its ALWAYS at the discretion of an arresting officer to do as he pleases. To arrest the crew for what amounted to a single joint of MJ, would make that cop the laughing stock of the department.

Let me further try to educate you on how law enforcment has flexibility built it.
If a Part 91 plane fly's in from Columbia and customs finds a duffle bag full of cocaine, the crew will most definitely be detained and depending on the circumstances could get charged along with the owner of the bag. Part 91 regs (you may want to read them) says crewmembers CAN BE held rersponsible for anything illegal on a plane.

It would be pretty crappy if some rich owner carried a kilo of cocaine in from another country, with his pilots truly not knowing, and those pilots go to prison for 10 years and never fly a plane again when they get out.

LAW EMFORCEMENT HAS THE DISCRETION TO DO AS THEY PLEASE after they complete an investigation.

Jeez!

 

[Fly91]

Hell, I've had a azzhole passenger that my boss told us to fly to St. Thomas, he was an executive of one of his real estate companies. The azzhole brought back 50 cuban cigars hidden in his dirty laundry bag. Luckily that jerk-off got through customs or we might have had a lot to answer to. He told us about them when we got into the car to leave the airport. We didn't know and I'm sure he would have told customs that and signed a statement saying we didn't know. I doubt seriously if any prosecutor would go after us.

 

[Catfsh]

Here we go. Its ALWAYS at the discretion of an arresting officer to do as he pleases. To arrest the crew for what amounted to a single joint of MJ, would make that cop the laughing stock of the department.

Let me further try to educate you on how law enforcment has flexibility built it.
If a Part 91 plane fly's in from Columbia and customs finds a duffle bag full of cocaine, the crew will most definitely be detained and depending on the circumstances could get charged along with the owner of the bag. Part 91 regs (you may want to read them) says crewmembers CAN BE held rersponsible for anything illegal on a plane.

It would be pretty crappy if some rich owner carried a kilo of cocaine in from another country, with his pilots truly not knowing, and those pilots go to prison for 10 years and never fly a plane again when they get out.

LAW EMFORCEMENT HAS THE DISCRETION TO AS THEY PLEASE after they complete an investigation.

Jeez!

I think your making MY point hotrod.

 

[Fly91]

I think your making MY point hotrod.

Just that crews getting arrested and charged even Part 91, probably will be quite hard to pursue and convict.

To your earlier post....thats why they didn't arrest Ron's pilots.

 

[ksu_aviator]

You can play the numbers game all you want and twist the meaning in percentages.

50,000 dead from alcohol

10 dead from MJ

Which line would you want to be standing in?

Well, if you had looked at the links above, you would know that the actually deaths is below 40K and MJ is nearly 5,000. Now, if you take the number of people that use alcohol and divide it by the number of deaths and then do the same for MJ, you will find that you are 250% more likely to die from MJ use than Alcohol use.

 

[Fly91]

Well, if you had looked at the links above, you would know that the actually deaths is below 40K and MJ is nearly 5,000. Now, if you take the number of people that use alcohol and divide it by the number of deaths and then do the same for MJ, you will find that you are 250% more likely to die from MJ use than Alcohol use.

Thats a ridiculous statement. I am never around or associated with MJ losers, therefore my chances of having anything ever happen to me in any way shape or form...from MJ....is zero.

As far as alcohol is concerned, I probably spend $200 a month on cabs when me and my friends go out to drink at bars or clubs, so its also remote that anything will happen from alcohol. But my chances are better from alcohol since I am around it every weekend on some level......so..........

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Wrong again when that second hand smoke makes you bust a piss test and you lose your job and license.

Many a pilot who actually did toke on some MJ and tested positive have *claimed* it was second hand smoke. Research was done and it was determined that it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to detect MJ from only contact highs or second hand smoke.

In order for one to test positive for the metabolics of cannabis, you would have to be closed in for MANY hours in a room FULL of HEAVY second and smoke. The circumstances where second hand smoke actually showed up on an intital screening are so unlikely, that the court would not buy it. You can look all this up.

There was one incident several years ago at CAL where an FO tested positive. He lost his job, etc. But ended up getting it back as he claimed his wife received some brownies which he had some of. Unbeknownst to him :erm: , these were pot brownies.

 

[LJ45]

Part 91 flying is the only Part that holds crews responsible for whats found on a plane that is illegal.

I think you are wrong on this, parts of part 91 apply to 135 operations also, namely when 135 doesn't have guidance on a particular reg. Also, 91.19 states "Knowingly carries" If part 135 doesn't have a reg that supersedes 91.19 , then 91.19 applies to part 135 also.

Anyone?

 

[Fly91]

I think you are wrong on this, parts of part 91 apply to 135 operations also, namely when 135 doesn't have guidance on a particular reg. Also, 91.19 states "Knowingly carries" If part 135 doesn't have a reg that supersedes 91.19 , then 91.19 applies to part 135 also.

Anyone?

It doesn't matter what Part a pilot is operating under, if they KNOWINGLY carry illegal drugs on board, they are going to be arrested and charged.

91.19 simply states that a crew member cannot operate an aircraft if he/she KNOWS there are drugs on board. Period.

What I was saying is that: If a crewmember DOES NOT have any knowledge that drugs are on board, they are NOT held responsible in any way, Part 135.
But Part 91, at the discretion of the arresting law enforcment agency, after they do some investigating, CAN arrest and charge the crew as well. Even if the crew says they had no knowledge.

When one of our Part 135 paying passengers brought $410,000 in cash through US Customs, and he turned out to be a known drug trafficker and was arrested, I learned all about this issue.

 

[Daveman]

Page 20050) Deaths In 1999, DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) data reported by medical examiners show that out of 664 marijuana-related deaths, there were 187 deaths where marijuana was the only drug reported.
HARMS FROM MARIJUANA

(Page 20042) List of Harms
“The mental and behavioral effects of marijuana can vary widely among individuals, but common responses, described by Wills (1998) and others (Adams and Martin 1996; Hollister 1986a, 1988a; Institute of Medicine 1982) are listed below:
(1) Dizziness, nausea, tachycardia, facial flushing, dry mouth and tremor can occur initially
(2) Merriment, happiness and even exhilaration at high doses
(3) Disinhibition, relaxation, increased sociability, and talkativeness
(4) Enhanced sensory perception, giving rise to increased appreciation of music, art and touch
(5) Heightened imagination leading to a subjective sense of increased creativity
(6) Time distortions
(7) Illusions, delusions and hallucinations are rare except at high doses
(8) Impaired judgement, reduced co-ordination and ataxia, which can impede driving ability or lead to an increase in risk-taking behavior
(9) Emotional lability, incongruity of affect, dysphoria, disorganized thinking, inability to converse logically, agitation, paranoia, confusion, restlessness, anxiety, drowsiness and panic attacks may occur, especially in inexperienced users or in those who have taken a large dose
(10) Increased appetite and short-term memory impairment are common”

The older couple down the street appear to have those same symptoms, I'd better notify the authorities!

 

[400A]

The older couple down the street appear to have those same symptoms, I'd better notify the authorities!

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O.K. That was funny!