Pilots allegedly report Ron White for Marijuana possession?

[Hugh Johnson]

You know what, I am going to make your day. Since you are going to follow me around and make stupid remarks about me on each thread. The discussion was about MJ, I do not know why nor do I care why Amish Abortion Lover changed the word to Hemp.

We get it, you and Amish support recreational drug use. Knock yourself out. MJ is against the law and that is all there is to it. I am sure you are one of those guys who only follow the FARS that you approve of as well.

By the way while you and your buddy are quoting all of your DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE numbers, are you so stupid that you think that is only Alcohol? It includes all substances you morons.

WTF does abortion have to do with this thread dickhead?

 

[Hugh Johnson]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3037193

Passive smoke study ^

and

4.10 Passive inhalation

In the United States, urine testing for drug traces and metabolites is increasingly used to identify illicit drug users in the workplace (Hayden, 1991). A technical concern raised by the opponents of this practice has been the possibility of a person having a urine positive for cannabinoids as the result of the passive inhalation of marijuana smoke at a social event immediately prior to the provision of the urine sample. A number of research studies have attempted to determine the relationship between passive inhalation of marijuana smoke and consequent production of urinary cannabinoids (Hayden, 1991).
In one of the first studies on passive inhalation, Perez-Reyes and colleagues (1983) found that non-smokers who had been confined for over an hour in a very small unventilated space containing the smoke of at least eight cannabis cigarettes over three consecutive days had insignificant amounts of urinary cannabinoids. Law and colleagues (1984) and Mule et al (1988) also showed that passive inhalation produced urinary cannabinoid concentrations well below the detection limit of 20ng/ml 9-carboxy-THC used in workplace drug screens.

Morland et al (1985) produced urinary cannabinoid levels above 20ng/ml in non-smokers but the conditions were extreme, namely, confinement in a space the size of a packing box with exposure to the smoke of six cannabis cigarettes. The studies of Cone and colleagues (1986; 1987a, 1987b) confirmed the necessity to apply extreme experimental conditions, which they claimed non-smokers were unlikely to submit themselves to for the long periods of time required to produce urinary metabolites above 20ng/ml. They also showed that non-smokers with significant amounts of cannabinoids in their urine experienced the subjective effects of intoxication.

 

[Daveman]

No, I would not call the police. You don't have to call the police if your passengers drink alcohol. I have, on three occassions, driven my passengers, in their rental car, to the hotel and caught a cab back to the airport. Just because I'm not morrally corrupt doesn't mean I can't be reasonable. MJ, on the other hand, won't fly and won't go unnoticed.

Isn't it sad that so many people look at certain rules with such disdain? Why do you think they outlawed MJ? Just because they don't want you to have fun? Probably the same reason they banned drinking and driving.

No, your just a wet blanket! sorry bubba!

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

Many misleading urban legends about cannabis exist. Like LSD rumors, many were spread by anti-drug groups during the 1960s and are believed to continuously circulate today. These widespread legends claim that it is easy to overdose on the smokable variant of cannabis and that it is extremely dangerous and addictive when compared to alcohol and nicotine, when in fact alcohol and nicotine, the drugs that are claimed to be safer, are actually considered as hard drugs and both can be very addictive. Furthermore, scaling up from animal studies, an average human would need to ingest about 1.8kg of cannabis to overdose. Cannabis is not physically addictive, but can be (like all things) psychologically addictive, though this form of addiction tends to occur only after someone has been using the drug habitually[5]. Also, there are studies that show no actual increased risk of cancer from smoking marijuana, even when duration of use is expanded over several years (this could be because THC allows cells to die faster).[6] In fact, some studies indicate THC to have anticancer properties, with studies showing tumor reduction in mice.


wikipedia stuff...

Im not for smoking pot or the foolish use of alcohol, I am just curious why the majority of folks I see smoke the illegal stuff seem to be the Jerry Springer watcher types while the night club scene and bar scenes seem to have average type folks in them.

My .02.

If anyone ever ran or biked near a disc golf course on any given day you might come across the smell of something with a peculiar aroma. Low and behold you come across a bunch of hippie types with frisbees in hand. HHmmmm.

 

[Capt1124]

This is a very deep philosophical discussion but I don't think anybody is going to change their mind and it doesn't have anything to do with our jobs or the situation that occured.

The real issue, and it is serious for for corporate aircraft pilots, is where do you draw the line with passengers. I'll stick my neck out and say on a Part 91 flight, with the owner, if I smelled something funny from the back I would close the door and leave it at that. It's his plane and if he wants to damage the interior with smoke it's his business.

Part 135, it's not their plane and whatever they are smoking they need to put it out.

Coming into the US and people have drugs in the back? That's tough. I won't take that bust for anybody, that's for sure. Pass a note to the customs officer in my passport? I would have to think about it.

If a passenger is out of control and interfering in the cockpit, you have to do something about it. I think I would declare an emergency for an unruly passenger and land. ATC asks if you need LE, say no, we just want him off the plane. Dump him at an FBO and let him cool off. If LE does show up, starts asking questions, and perhaps performs a sobriety test on the guy, well there's nothing you can do about that.

I'm not sure if all you who think marijuana is no big deal have enver know any stoners. Not a good drug, especially on any kind of a regular basis. That said I don't think I or any other corporate pilot could care less what the masters of the universe are doing in the back as long as it isn't a safety issue. Most people who are smart enough to have that much money are smart enough to understand where the line is, but I guess there are exceptions.

There are some violations of the law one is obligated to report, and there are others which are not. Drug use, no, drug smuggling, yes.

I think calling the cops was too much but if the passenger has been really obnoxious, I would feel the same temptation.

 

[jet2work]

And Now You Know The REST of the Story

All the talk about pot use etc... WGAF

Here's my take... And don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the Tater, but.... Say you had a nice gig flying him around the country, and one night he shows up drunk and belligerent in the cockpit (say it isn't so). He threatens to crash the plane or wants you to do some rolls etc.. When you attempt to reason with him he becomes irate (can't ever see the Tater doin' that). When you land the aircraft safely, you are fired for your actions.

SCORE Rich Drunk - 1 Poor Pilots - Zero

Now you coulda turned his A$$ in for interferring with a crewmember (which might have been some serious jail time). But you let it go. After a few months of no luck finding a job, you got pissed and decided to exact some revenge. You know the Tater likes his herb (and his scotch). Since scotch is legal and herb is not, you click on flightaware and track the Tater. You call the local authorities and alert them to the likelihood that one "Tater Salad White" will be arriving shortly with some herb (that is not normally found in Tater Salad). Ron Gets Busted.

SCORE Rich Drunk - 1 Poor Pilots - 1

Now I don't care who you are. That right thar is funny.:laugh:

This was simply a case of settling the score. Just because we love the Tater doesn't mean these pilots are jerks. What if the guy had been the CEO of an evil corporation and threatened to jeopardize the safety of flight? Y'all be would all self righteous about stickin it to the man.

Hell if someone fired me for doin' the right thing, I'm afraid the cops would find kiddie porn in his car at the FBO (That's a joke).

There's two sides to every story. Personally I'm inclined to side with the pilots. I could GAF if pot is legal or illegal. In this case it was simply a means to an end.

As the clock winds down the SCORE is 1 to 1. Ron White should should stick to tellin jokes instead of F'in with pilots.

Lord I apologize..........

Atlanta's WSBTV Channel 2 Action News report the Federal Aviation Administration is conducting an investigation into a May incident in which pilots allege White may have risked the safety of crew and passengers on board his private jet.

The pilots said White fired them after the alleged incident, according to WSBTV.

On June 25, the pilots told the news station they were flying White on May 11 from Ithaca, N.Y., to Gwinnett County Airport at Briscoe Field in Lawrenceville, Ga., but were diverted to DeKalb-Peachtree Airport in Chamblee, Ga. White became drunk and enraged and tried to enter the cockpit, the pilots told WSBTV.

 

[westwind driver]

Comming from the Son of one of the pilots,

Thank You.

Anyone stop to think what would have happened if the DEA met the plane when it landed because Ron's now Ex-wife reported him to the DEA and was trying to get busted? So when his tour bus driver came out and told the pilots about Ron's wife and what she did, they contacted the DEA, only after leaving Ron in NY and refusing to move the plane. He did promise not to have anything on board, they flew airline back up there and on the climb out of PA to Atlanta Ron got beligerent with them and subsequently fired them.

So is it wrong to try and protect your certificates/career field? You think the FAA and DEA really wanna hear you say 'Oh, we know nothing about the 1-3 Lbs of Pot Ron regularly carries with him on board.

They tried to look the other way for a while but couldn't take the stress anymore.

If you were asked by White or his associated if this would be a problem, what would you answer in light of 91.17b and 91.19a?