Pilot forced to retire--Boo hoo! Freaking baby!

[CitationLover]

When your policy manual says to use the AP on NAV departures and you don't... Your breaking the rules. That's what your paid to do, follow SOP.

what are they going to do? fire him?

 

[Phaedrus]

It's not always about what "they're" going to do.

 

[ableone]

In principle I have been in favor of dropping the age 60 limitation since before I had a job at the show.

I am in the left seat and would actually benifit from a change in the rule, but the constant whining and bitching, not to mention the self rightious crap I hear from those getting close the the wall, is enough to make me change my mind.

The fact is that those who are in the left seat when the rule changes are going to enjoy a windfall that no-one else will enjoy. That is simply the way it is. Life is always unfair to someone.

The thing that is irking me is to hear these guys rail about the "injustice" of the rule. Let's let everybody who is 60 to 65 when the rule changes come back to the line and see how the whiners feel about that.

The rule should be changed. I did a PC about ten years ago with a captain who was about three weeks away from his 60th and he was one of the sharper pencils in the box. I wish he could have been able to continue, but I would like to bounce some of the loudest whiners to the street tomorrow.

 

[SIG600]

Most of you sound like a bunch doooooo-che bags. Ever think the guy just really likes his job, is still fully capable, and wants to keep flying out of pure enjoyment?

In 13 years of flying I've towed banners, CFI'd, flown for the EAA, done part 91 corporate stuff, 135 and 121, and am currently flying pointy nose jets off big grey boats. I like to think that I've experienced a lot of what aviation has to offer... and I don't see it ever getting old. Hell, I'm looking for a Kitfox for my days off. The day I'm forced to retire, I'll probably find some cush flying job, and continue to fly whatever I'm able to own. I can symapthize with this guy because he's one of the few around that sounds like he truely loves what he does. The way most of you bitch makes me wonder why you're even in the business.

 

[Freight Dog]

I'm just waiting for the blue-hair ribbon panel to spout out some brilliant ideas.

 

[ERJpusher]

His FO turns 60 this year? Dang.

It didn't say he was an FO. Just said that he was a friend who arranged to fly with him. Could have just as easily been a captain.

 

[Ty Webb]

Most of you sound like a bunch doooooo-che bags. Ever think the guy just really likes his job, is still fully capable, and wants to keep flying out of pure enjoyment?

In 13 years of flying I've towed banners, CFI'd, flown for the EAA, done part 91 corporate stuff, 135 and 121, and am currently flying pointy nose jets off big grey boats.

Sounds to me like the one thing you haven't done yet is sit on on reserve or live out a furlough or try to figure out how to get by for another five years as an FO on a payscale that was negotiated when age 65 had just been dealt with "once and for all" by the FAA . . . . yet you sure have an opinion.

Maybe you ought to shut your pie hole about something you obviously don't understand the ramifications of. It's not about "love of flying" it's about our livelihood. If these 60 year-old "MEEEE Generation" types want to keep flying "for the love of flying" they can fly corporate jets until they're flying 'em in Depends. Notice that they don't want to fly as FO's . . . . nope. TGhey want the dollars, and they don't care that a furloughed guy may have to wait another five years to get called back simply because these guys want a windfall.


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[Chest Rockwell]

Notice that they don't want to fly as FO's . . . . nope.


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And why should they want to fly as FOs? I don't recall the FAA offering that option.

 

[Phaedrus]

Do you recall the poster he was rebutting?

 

[TAWS]

Ever notice, the more you earn, the more you spend.

I used to earn alot more (in a previous life), never imagined how I'd be able to live on what I make today. You make do. This guy has a lifestyle that he doesn't want to lose and it scares him! He had a short time to scramble and make up time when he lost that pension, so it's only natural that he got excited about age 65 .................... then time ran out!

He'll adjust.

 

[temcgrew]

When your policy manual says to use the AP on NAV departures and you don't... Your breaking the rules. That's what your paid to do, follow SOP.

You must have been the guy on the radio that no one could understand. Sounded like you were talking into a can. I guess the other guy was taking a wiz, cause we all know that is the reg that everyone follows.

 

[Nindiri]

It's a shame the company found out about the wheelchair bit, it would have been pretty amusing to watch.

 

[Regul8r]

All I can say is that if this dude can't manually fly out of Vegas when he wants to (see highlighted paragraph) then he should have retired years ago. He's trying not to be bitter? The dude had 30 years to prepare for this. This stuff makes me sick!

Easy there, Spanky. I find it most comical that pilots like you are quick to use the greed card as this mans reason to stay in the airlines. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...
You're time will come, and I seriously hope you're not in a financial situation requiring a large paycheck (see underfunded retirement) when it's your turn. But I am sure you will indulge us all on this board with this that and the other about how you are the ONLY man to have foresight when it comes to issues like these. It's really CUT and DRY, this USAir guy is just an idiot. Just remember you don't know half the story, Slick.

 

[Counselair]

Being pushed out on a wheelchair sounds pretty lame. If you really want to push the envelope how about forgetting what gate you are supposed to be at and taxi the wrong way screwing up all the taxi ways and entrance alleys to the terminal for thirty minutes and claim alzheimers?

Oh, then you wouldn't get the CFR water hose send off, the wheel chair you bragged about getting (and got caught due to your bragging) or be penalized your paycheck by your company that paid you enough to buy your vaction home you're retiring in. To him I wish swift tailwinds.

Counselair

BTW I've read Flying the Line Vol I and II, want more from my profession and am against flying past 60 and ALPA is only in it for themselves. Been there, furloughed from that (three times) and got the magzine!

 

[hatetoadmitit]

Being pushed out on a wheelchair sounds pretty lame. If you really want to push the envelope how about forgetting what gate you are supposed to be at and taxi the wrong way screwing up all the taxi ways and entrance alleys to the terminal for thirty minutes and claim alzheimers?

Oh, then you wouldn't get the CFR water hose send off, the wheel chair you bragged about getting (and got caught due to your bragging) or be penalized your paycheck by your company that paid you enough to buy your vaction home you're retiring in. To him I wish swift tailwinds.

Counselair

BTW I've read Flying the Line Vol I and II, want more from my profession and am against flying past 60 and ALPA is only in it for themselves. Been there, furloughed from that (three times) and got the magzine!

Well Said Brother!!!!!!!

 

[Counselair]

Well Said Brother!!!!!!!

Thank you friend.

Live Safe,

Counselair

 

[Larcifer]

I agree completely. This is the attitude of all the whinny little children that think they are entitled to somebody else's job. Age 65 is coming. Deal with it. You are not owed that place in line. They are the ones with 30 years experience and dedication. You are the freshmen on the block.
Do me a favor and read FLYING THE LINE, Tighten your Tie, Straighten your union pin, and be part of the solution. Not the problem.

20 yrs in the "biz" furloughed twice and layed off once. I guess I don't really consider myself a freshmen. I've read "Flying the Line I & II" several times and have never found the part where it says I've got mine F*** the rest of you. 12 yr. FO looking at another 2-5 min at my current employeer(who will never make it another 5). If I should be lucky enough to get on with a stable carrier i.e. UPS, FedEx or SWA in the next 12-18 months I might get 5 yrs as a capt(60-65). Another 5-7 and I'll probably be dead(65-72). This pretty picture is being painted by a bunch of DF's that can't manage there money, have no life outside of aviation(we all know what a treat you are to sit with on a 4 day) and actually thought they could count soley on this profession to provide them with a retirement. They now want to the rest of us to bend over and take one for the team.

Absolutely no sesnse of history or pride left in what was once a prestigious profession.

 

[Flydaplane]

Still waiting for one of the "senior" guys to explain to me why, if there is no safety issue involved with flying past 65, a pilot under age 60 must be in the cockpit with them? Well....still waiting? You can't tell me with a straight face that your skills haven't deteriorated over the years. If it's an age discrimination issue than why stop at 65, why not 67, 70, 75? Oh yeah, that'll come in a few years, as long as someone under 60 is there to cover for you.
If it's your last flight and you really want to do the RNAV departure out of Vegas, I'm sure you wouldn't have been fired, get real.

 

[Nindiri]

Because that's what the rule says. It doesn't mean it's a good rule anymore than the eight hour rest rule is good.

As for the RNAV departure, some people like to follow the rules.

 

[lostplnetairman]

Still waiting for one of the "senior" guys to explain to me why, if there is no safety issue involved with flying past 65, a pilot under age 60 must be in the cockpit with them? Well....still waiting?

I'm not a "senior guy" but I can tell you that throughout history, compromises are made to get things done. That's all this represents: a compromise to get the deal made.

HRDiva