Piedmont MEC rejected LTP Pay rates???

[twighead]

Those rates are a heck of a lot better than what we make at PSA.

That's because they know that we'll never actually get the airplanes.

 

[Pilot124]

Those rates are a heck of a lot better than what we make at PSA.

Good job guys.....Set the bar high. We deserve way more than peanuts to fly. Kudos guys.

 

[Aviatard]

What the heck is LTP, and does anyone want to meet up at Jack Willies for a couple cold ones? I keep in touch with Garvey and McKinney... anyone?

 

[BFE]

They not better than PSA, completely. PSA CA rates are higher and some of the PDT FO Rates are higher. You also don't see a $100+ rate at PDT. If PDT is negotiating a blended rate than disregard this post because I'm posting 70 seats rates only.

Throw out the first year PSA CA rate, that rate was negotiated because there are no 1 year PSA CA's, only J4J's would fall into that category. Again, these are the 70 seat rates negotiated in bankruptcy, not the blended rates:

[FONT=&quot] CA 1/1/07 1/1/08 1/1/09 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 1 year $62.02 $63.26 $65.16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2 year $63.85 $65.13 $67.08[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3 year $65.78 $67.10 $69.11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 4 year $67.76 $69.12 $71.19[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 year $69.76 $71.16 $73.29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6 year $71.88 $73.32 $75.52[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 7 year $73.30 $74.77 $77.01[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 8 year $75.50 $77.01 $79.32[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 9 year $77.79 $79.35 $81.73[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 year$80.10 $81.70 $84.15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 year$82.50 $84.15 $86.67[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 year$84.97 $86.67 $89.27[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 year$87.55 $89.30 $91.98[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 year$90.16 $91.96 $94.72[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 year$91.67 $93.50 $96.31[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 year$93.51 $95.38 $98.24[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 year$94.90 $96.80 $99.00[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 year$96.36 $98.29 $101.24[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]FO 1/1/07 1/1/08 1/1/09[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 year $22.30 $22.75 $23.43[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 year $31.62 $32.25 $33.22[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 year $34.33 $35.02 $36.07[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 year $36.04 $36.76 $37.86[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 year $36.95 $37.69 $38.82[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 year $37.58 $38.33 $39.48[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 year $38.06 $38.82 $39.98[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 year $38.70 $39.47 $40.65[/FONT]
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[WSurf]

They not better than PSA, completely. PSA CA rates are higher and some of the PDT FO Rates are higher. You also don't see a $100+ rate at PDT. If PDT is negotiating a blended rate than disregard this post because I'm posting 70 seats rates only.

Throw out the first year PSA CA rate, that rate was negotiated because there are no 1 year PSA CA's, only J4J's would fall into that category. Again, these are the 70 seat rates negotiated in bankruptcy, not the blended rates:

[FONT=&quot]CA 1/1/07 1/1/08 1/1/09 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 year $62.02 $63.26 $65.16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 year $63.85 $65.13 $67.08[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 year $65.78 $67.10 $69.11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 year $67.76 $69.12 $71.19[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 year $69.76 $71.16 $73.29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 year $71.88 $73.32 $75.52[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 year $73.30 $74.77 $77.01[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 year $75.50 $77.01 $79.32[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 year $77.79 $79.35 $81.73[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 year$80.10 $81.70 $84.15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 year$82.50 $84.15 $86.67[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 year$84.97 $86.67 $89.27[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 year$87.55 $89.30 $91.98[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 year$90.16 $91.96 $94.72[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 year$91.67 $93.50 $96.31[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 year$93.51 $95.38 $98.24[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 year$94.90 $96.80 $99.00[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 year$96.36 $98.29 $101.24[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]FO 1/1/07 1/1/08 1/1/09[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 year $22.30 $22.75 $23.43[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 year $31.62 $32.25 $33.22[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 year $34.33 $35.02 $36.07[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 year $36.04 $36.76 $37.86[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 year $36.95 $37.69 $38.82[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 year $37.58 $38.33 $39.48[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 year $38.06 $38.82 $39.98[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 year $38.70 $39.47 $40.65[/FONT]

So whats your point?

 

[zasca]

I heard a capt I assumed was in the know say they rejected them largely due to the FO rates. MEC will try to get us a couple more bucks an hour... Who cares though, we don't get airplanes until scope relief, which depends on rate/benefit increases at East mainline, which depends on seniority integration, and isn't helped by the AAA ALPA jerkoffs who are trying to just survive.....

 

[OPECJet]

I see you've been served your dose of reality this morning!

 

[WSurf]

I heard a capt I assumed was in the know say they rejected them largely due to the FO rates. MEC will try to get us a couple more bucks an hour... Who cares though, we don't get airplanes until scope relief, which depends on rate/benefit increases at East mainline, which depends on seniority integration, and isn't helped by the AAA ALPA jerkoffs who are trying to just survive.....

Believe....... Scope is a small bump in the road! If they want us to Operate Large TurboProps we will! For the right price that is.....

 

[mu2]

I talked to DM today about the rates. He was up all night (until 3am with a 5am show) adjusting the rates. He took two dollars from CA year two pay and gave it to the FO amongst some other things. He had to hand them in today so Steve F could take them to Parker this afternoon.

He also commented on Air Wisconsin getting part of the flow thru. He thinks it’s just tactic.

 

[BoilerUP]

He also commented on Air Wisconsin getting part of the flow thru. He thinks it’s just tactic.

WTF?

 

[mu2]

WTF?

Listen to the Code-a-phone, you'll shoot yourself!

 

[WSurf]

Listen to the Code-a-phone, you'll shoot yourself!

Hell, I for one am not surprised! Remember its the US Airways East folks we are talking about. They are only gonna do something that benefits them. When they look at the flow thru they see that Piedmont has nothing to offer them for a flowback!

Remember US Airways East usually act like a bunch of kids when they don't get there way! They run over to you, grab there ball and walk home......


No, I am not surprised.....

And to think I felt sorry from them losing their arbitration! NOT!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Remember US Airways East usually act like a bunch of kids when they don't get there way! They run over to you, grab there ball and walk home......

... But first they kick you square in the nuts!

Kinda makes you wonder if which member of the AAA MEC has a kid who works at Air Willy.

They can be part of the FT. Right behind every single WO guy. Maybe we PDT guys could barrow AAA's stapler, they don't seem to need it.

 

[bizzum]

... But first they kick you square in the nuts!

Kinda makes you wonder if which member of the AAA MEC has a kid who works at Air Willy.

They can be part of the FT. Right behind every single WO guy. Maybe we PDT guys could barrow AAA's stapler, they don't seem to need it.

Us Willy guys have no clue to where this is coming from. Our MEC knows nothing of it, and no one here really wants it. Last thing any of us want to do is step on anyone's feet on this thing.

 

[G2T]

Us Willy guys have no clue to where this is coming from. Our MEC knows nothing of it, and no one here really wants it. Last thing any of us want to do is step on anyone's feet on this thing.

Not that AWAC needs to get involved in the flowthru debacle, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. Whether people will admit it or not, AWAC is part of the dysfunctional US Airways family:

So ML is going to let some people flow up, where would they rather have them come from?

1. PDT or PSA where they pay for the flow up training, an upgrade replacement, and a new hire to replace the upgrade or...

2. One AWAC flow up, and then hold Air Wisconsin responsible for covering the contract flying and the associated staffing associated with losing the flow up.

I know there is a lot of history with the Jets at PSA vs ALG or PDT, J4J, MDA, the flow through in the contract, and the relationships between the WO and ML MEC's, but just pointing out another view, possibly where the idea came from.

 

[BoilerUP]

If a flowthrough for AWAC pilots requires language for a flowback, I will never vote to approve that and neither will our MEC.

 

[WSurf]

If a flowthrough for AWAC pilots requires language for a flowback, I will never vote to approve that and neither will our MEC.

Yea, With all the major's hiring I don't think getting a job at a mainline carrier will be too much of an issue! I can't wait to see this thing unfold!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Whether people will admit it or not, AWAC is part of the dysfunctional US Airways family

No, they aren't.

The Flowthrough agreement REQUIRES that the express carrier in question be a "participating wholly owned carrier." AWAC is neither wholly owned nor a signatory of the J4J agreement.

I agree with Boiler... This stands no chance if it was ever put to a vote.

BTW: This isn't personal against you AWAC folks. Please understand that this is a fight we have been in since 2002, so we are just protecting what is rightfully ours.

 

[WSurf]

No, they aren't.

The Flowthrough agreement REQUIRES that the express carrier in question be a "participating wholly owned carrier." AWAC is neither wholly owned nor a signatory of the J4J agreement.

I agree with Boiler... This stands no chance if it was ever put to a vote.

BTW: This isn't personal against you AWAC folks. Please understand that this is a fight we have been in since 2002, so we are just protecting what is rightfully ours.

Yea it is rightfully ours, but to be honest I really don't give a crap out the flowthru! I would rather have my concessionary money back instead!

We have been dicked over by those folks for so many years now its not even funny! I expect it more now!

And do you really wanna sling a gear for one those disgruntled poops! West side not included!

 

[G2T]

No, they aren't.

The Flowthrough agreement REQUIRES that the express carrier in question be a "participating wholly owned carrier." AWAC is neither wholly owned nor a signatory of the J4J agreement.

I agree with Boiler... This stands no chance if it was ever put to a vote.

BTW: This isn't personal against you AWAC folks. Please understand that this is a fight we have been in since 2002, so we are just protecting what is rightfully ours.

Yes, we are. You are right, we are not a wholly owned and therefore not involved in the agreement, we are just lowly part owners of. I also never said we had a dog in the fight, we have nothing to do with flow thru nor do many of us care. I was just throwing out another possible view of where this may have come from, which on this touchy subject was maybe a mistake.