Piedmont MEC rejected LTP Pay rates???

[mu2]

WTF?

Listen to the Code-a-phone, you'll shoot yourself!

 

[WSurf]

Listen to the Code-a-phone, you'll shoot yourself!

Hell, I for one am not surprised! Remember its the US Airways East folks we are talking about. They are only gonna do something that benefits them. When they look at the flow thru they see that Piedmont has nothing to offer them for a flowback!

Remember US Airways East usually act like a bunch of kids when they don't get there way! They run over to you, grab there ball and walk home......


No, I am not surprised.....

And to think I felt sorry from them losing their arbitration! NOT!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Remember US Airways East usually act like a bunch of kids when they don't get there way! They run over to you, grab there ball and walk home......

... But first they kick you square in the nuts!

Kinda makes you wonder if which member of the AAA MEC has a kid who works at Air Willy.

They can be part of the FT. Right behind every single WO guy. Maybe we PDT guys could barrow AAA's stapler, they don't seem to need it.

 

[bizzum]

... But first they kick you square in the nuts!

Kinda makes you wonder if which member of the AAA MEC has a kid who works at Air Willy.

They can be part of the FT. Right behind every single WO guy. Maybe we PDT guys could barrow AAA's stapler, they don't seem to need it.

Us Willy guys have no clue to where this is coming from. Our MEC knows nothing of it, and no one here really wants it. Last thing any of us want to do is step on anyone's feet on this thing.

 

[G2T]

Us Willy guys have no clue to where this is coming from. Our MEC knows nothing of it, and no one here really wants it. Last thing any of us want to do is step on anyone's feet on this thing.

Not that AWAC needs to get involved in the flowthru debacle, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. Whether people will admit it or not, AWAC is part of the dysfunctional US Airways family:

So ML is going to let some people flow up, where would they rather have them come from?

1. PDT or PSA where they pay for the flow up training, an upgrade replacement, and a new hire to replace the upgrade or...

2. One AWAC flow up, and then hold Air Wisconsin responsible for covering the contract flying and the associated staffing associated with losing the flow up.

I know there is a lot of history with the Jets at PSA vs ALG or PDT, J4J, MDA, the flow through in the contract, and the relationships between the WO and ML MEC's, but just pointing out another view, possibly where the idea came from.

 

[BoilerUP]

If a flowthrough for AWAC pilots requires language for a flowback, I will never vote to approve that and neither will our MEC.

 

[WSurf]

If a flowthrough for AWAC pilots requires language for a flowback, I will never vote to approve that and neither will our MEC.

Yea, With all the major's hiring I don't think getting a job at a mainline carrier will be too much of an issue! I can't wait to see this thing unfold!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Whether people will admit it or not, AWAC is part of the dysfunctional US Airways family

No, they aren't.

The Flowthrough agreement REQUIRES that the express carrier in question be a "participating wholly owned carrier." AWAC is neither wholly owned nor a signatory of the J4J agreement.

I agree with Boiler... This stands no chance if it was ever put to a vote.

BTW: This isn't personal against you AWAC folks. Please understand that this is a fight we have been in since 2002, so we are just protecting what is rightfully ours.

 

[WSurf]

No, they aren't.

The Flowthrough agreement REQUIRES that the express carrier in question be a "participating wholly owned carrier." AWAC is neither wholly owned nor a signatory of the J4J agreement.

I agree with Boiler... This stands no chance if it was ever put to a vote.

BTW: This isn't personal against you AWAC folks. Please understand that this is a fight we have been in since 2002, so we are just protecting what is rightfully ours.

Yea it is rightfully ours, but to be honest I really don't give a crap out the flowthru! I would rather have my concessionary money back instead!

We have been dicked over by those folks for so many years now its not even funny! I expect it more now!

And do you really wanna sling a gear for one those disgruntled poops! West side not included!

 

[G2T]

No, they aren't.

The Flowthrough agreement REQUIRES that the express carrier in question be a "participating wholly owned carrier." AWAC is neither wholly owned nor a signatory of the J4J agreement.

I agree with Boiler... This stands no chance if it was ever put to a vote.

BTW: This isn't personal against you AWAC folks. Please understand that this is a fight we have been in since 2002, so we are just protecting what is rightfully ours.

Yes, we are. You are right, we are not a wholly owned and therefore not involved in the agreement, we are just lowly part owners of. I also never said we had a dog in the fight, we have nothing to do with flow thru nor do many of us care. I was just throwing out another possible view of where this may have come from, which on this touchy subject was maybe a mistake.

 

[WSurf]

Yes, we are. You are right, we are not a wholly owned and therefore not involved in the agreement, we are just lowly part owners of. I also never said we had a dog in the fight, we have nothing to do with flow thru nor do many of us care. I was just throwing out another possible view of where this may have come from, which on this touchy subject was maybe a mistake.

Yea, your management made a ton of money also by being part owners! What did they do, triple there return on the investment?

Let me see, did you guys see a dime of that money? Hell, your lives were uprooted, base closures, QOL down the pooper!!!! I feel your pain at AirWilly.

Listen, I am a Piedmont Pilot and I have the up most respect for all AirWiscosin Folks! I am sorry you folks got shoved into US Airways in the first place. Your a great bunch of pilots over there! And I don't think we need to get into a riff over a flushthru......

Way I see it is that we are all in the same boat! Hopefully we can all stay united on this and make the industry a much better place to work!

 

[G2T]

Way I see it is that we are all in the same boat! Hopefully we can all stay united on this and make the industry a much better place to work!

Well I agree. I was just stating another opinion, and not surprisingly ran into the awac animosity that I still don't understand (would you rather have mesa back?). Maybe we can all find some of that money that mgmt made off all our respective companies and then have a really nice 5star celebration party together, we can rent out a classy joint like the lagoon in philly or something!:beer:

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Yea it is rightfully ours, but to be honest I really don't give a crap out the flowthru! I would rather have my concessionary money back instead!

More true words never spoken. That is a check I would be happy to cash. I care less and less about being an exhulted "mainline" wienie every day, it is just the principle of the matter that irks me.

Like I said, nothin' but love for the Air Willy folks really.

 

[dirkdigler]

Those rates are a heck of a lot better than what we make at PSA.

Hmmmmm....... How could that be??? How did that happen? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[dirkdigler]

... But first they kick you square in the nuts!

Kinda makes you wonder if which member of the AAA MEC has a kid who works at Air Willy.

They can be part of the FT. Right behind every single WO guy. Maybe we PDT guys could barrow AAA's stapler, they don't seem to need it.

I have run into mainline pilots who told me their kids worked for Air Whiskey.

There is only one word: Nepotism (spelling?)

 

[jellynuts]

AWAC is not part of the airways extremely dysfunctional "family". they had to buy their flying, they have a jet that noone can make money on or wants. once that contract is up. sorry to tell ya but you'll be looking for more flying to buy. you think airways wants to pay you a profit 1 day longer than they're contractually obligated to??

 

[bizzum]

AWAC is not part of the airways extremely dysfunctional "family". they had to buy their flying, they have a jet that noone can make money on or wants. once that contract is up, sorry to tell ya but you'll be looking for more flying to buy. you think airways wants to pay you a profit 1 day longer than they're contractually obligated to??

Like it or not, AWAC's owners own 13% of US. Lets not forget if the owners of AWAC did not invest 125 million, you could very well be out of a job, as well as everyone at AWAC. If you are trying to pick a flight with us on here, it is not going to happen. None of us want to be working out east. None of us will be "buying" anything when the contract runs out. It is not up to any of us what our company does. We have done our part by not giving an inch when our company wants us to give in to "compete to win."

 

[BoilerUP]

We have done our part by not giving an inch when our company wants us to give in to "compete to win."

Like our MEC telling management to pound stand when they asked to negotiate CR9 and Q400 rates that would undercut the WO carriers?

AWAC pilots wanted to fly for Airways about as much as the WOs wanted us to; unfortunately the situation was such that Airways needed our $$$ and we needed their flying so here were are. Management made millions off that deal that was financed with paycuts that were taken dishonestly and hopefully the pilot group will be made whole from that sometime this decade.

In 2015 we'll see what AWAC's future is out east but until then let's all remember who the enemy is and try to get along, eh?

 

[WSurf]

Like it or not, AWAC's owners own 13% of US. Lets not forget if the owners of AWAC did not invest 125 million, you could very well be out of a job, as well as everyone at AWAC. If you are trying to pick a flight with us on here, it is not going to happen. None of us want to be working out east. None of us will be "buying" anything when the contract runs out. It is not up to any of us what our company does. We have done our part by not giving an inch when our company wants us to give in to "compete to win."

Bingo! If you look at the history of AirWhiskey you will see that it is samiliar to ours.
I think it was in the Early 80's that United bought them to only rape and pillage them for the ORD slots.
Then after that they rebuilt only to have United asked them to take concessions! (Sound Familiar)
After telling United to F-Off they had to attach themselves to someone to survive..... Bring in US Airways. They have always been a tight group of pilots that have done nothing to bring this industry down!
I can honestly say I was glad to see them on our property instead of the Mesa's, CHQ, TSA, REP, etc etc.... Mainly because they had to invest into US Airways and it was important to them that Airways survived, not like the other parasite Contract carriers!

So why don't we smart'in up and stop this childish game of slamming!!

If you wanna slam someone, go after REP or Mesa and the other carriers flying Big Jets for Peanuts, but leave the Airwhiskey folks to themselves!! There a great bunch!

 

[JohnnyP]

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WSurf!!!!

Every time you post, you end a sentence with a "!!!"

It's like your always excited to the maximum!!!!!!

Are you always this pumped, even when you fly!!!!! (I dont think we ever flew together)

Just messin with ya !!!!!!!!!!

 

[FirstMate]

He's just very passionate and enthusiastic when it comes to posting on FI!!!!!!!!!!!!

JP can I have a buddy pass down there? We need to pay Dante a visit.

 

[WSurf]

WSurf!!!!

Every time you post, you end a sentence with a "!!!"

It's like your always excited to the maximum!!!!!!

Are you always this pumped, even when you fly!!!!! (I dont think we ever flew together)

Just messin with ya !!!!!!!!!!

About as excited as you get over a Russian Hooker!!! Wink Wink!!!! LOL!!

 

[WSurf]

He's just very passionate and enthusiastic when it comes to posting on FI!!!!!!!!!!!!

JP can I have a buddy pass down there? We need to pay Dante a visit.

Yo Cee, you gonna be State side again next month? If so give me a call! Water is still nice here, I even took the waverunner for a spin this morning. Won't last much longer however.

 

[FirstMate]

My ship comes in mid-Nov. Buddy of mine in Raleigh said it was 75 deg up there today.

I think the high over here tomorrow is 96.
Fall is in the air...

 

[JohnnyP]

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About as excited as you get over a Russian Hooker!!! Wink Wink!!!! LOL!!

WSurf---1
JohnnyP--0

And for FirstMate, we'll have to get the loafers shined off and make a trip to Dantes for the Mandarin and a Shady Grasshopper.

The old Mako sperrys have pretty much given up the ghost, as I have taken them through war zones, literally. I think i'm going to have them bronzed.

Just make sure to bring your Michael Mcdonald collection for the ride. (were up to like 10 on the weirdness level now).

 

[FirstMate]

WSurf---1
JohnnyP--0

And for FirstMate, we'll have to get the loafers shined off and make a trip to Dantes for the Mandarin and a Shady Grasshopper.

The old Mako sperrys have pretty much given up the ghost, as I have taken them through war zones, literally. I think i'm going to have them bronzed.

Just make sure to bring your Michael Mcdonald collection for the ride. (were up to like 10 on the weirdness level now).

Not to mention we've completely ruined/hijacked this thread for our own selfish and personal interests.

Now, Back to LTP's, MEC's, STD's and PDT's.

Carry on fellas and keep the fire.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Hey Wsurf, with your caption you should change your avatar to have nobody on it since PDT cant pay guys to come there!!!!!!! it was never funny to begin with!!!!!

 

[lear24]

it was never funny to begin with!!!!!

What, like your PJ jokes?

 

[Grey Ghost]

keep your damn hands off of her or have you been with her too? sorry HG

 

[WSurf]

Hey Wsurf, with your caption you should change your avatar to have nobody on it since PDT cant pay guys to come there!!!!!!! it was never funny to begin with!!!!!

Whats funny is what you get paid to fly the 170! Now thats funny!