PBS is coming to Express Jet

[Nevets]

What the erj guys will lose is dropping trips and still getting paid the original line value whereas we just get guarantee.

What are you talking about?

 

[flynd94]

What the erj guys will lose is dropping trips and still getting paid the original line value whereas we just get guarantee.

WTF? Who told you this? I drop a trip off my line I lose the value, I trade into a lower value trip it decreases my line value. If you are referencing our vacation drop language then yes. You bid your vacation and a trip touches either side it's dropped and you are pay protected.

They can have that when they pry it from my dead, cold hands.

Vote NO early and often!!

 

[COOPERVANE]

If EVERYBODY at ASA with scheduled reduced rest overnights made the flight late enough to delay the flights the next morning they would go away GUARANTEED!!

Instead you guys come on here like little whiney beeches and cry about 8 hour overnights. I for one have NEVER successfully done a scheduled RR overnight. I ALWAYS have to get my duty in time adjusted. Just ground the airplane for an hours worth of MTC.

If we ALL did this every time we had a RR overnight, THEY WOULD GO AWAY!!

 

[Flybywire44]

ASA's PBS is a quality system. ASA's ALPA did an excellent job building it—Enjoy.

But, Reserves get hosed more than ever under the current system.

 

[777forever]

If EVERYBODY at ASA with scheduled reduced rest overnights made the flight late enough to delay the flights the next morning they would go away GUARANTEED!!

Instead you guys come on here like little whiney beeches and cry about 8 hour overnights. I for one have NEVER successfully done a scheduled RR overnight. I ALWAYS have to get my duty in time adjusted. Just ground the airplane for an hours worth of MTC.

If we ALL did this every time we had a RR overnight, THEY WOULD GO AWAY!!

This is rediculous

 

[enuffalready]

This is rediculous

and true. If the company wants to give an 8.05 RR in between two 5 or 6 leg days on the 50.. and their only excuse is that its legal, then fine..everyone understands that RR overnights happen, but when you get them twice on a 4 day it gets dangerous. When those first flights in start running 45, hour, 1 1/2 late they will make the change to normal rest.

 

[wms]

WTF? Who told you this? I drop a trip off my line I lose the value, I trade into a lower value trip it decreases my line value. If you are referencing our vacation drop language then yes. You bid your vacation and a trip touches either side it's dropped and you are pay protected.

They can have that when they pry it from my dead, cold hands.

Vote NO early and often!!

I'm talking about vacation. With PBS there are no conflicting trips to drop, so you only make guarantee unless you sacrifice days off to get up to 75 credit hours. Also, if you're at less than 75 hours you still get paid 75 hours in a vacation month, but extra work does not go on top of guarantee, so to make extra money you have to work for free until you get to 75 hours.

 

[wms]

What are you talking about?

Sorry, I was talking about the dropped portions of trips conflicting with vacations.

Signed, Mr Ambiguity ,(-;

 

[rjacobs]

WTF? Who told you this? If you are referencing our vacation drop language then yes. You bid your vacation and a trip touches either side it's dropped and you are pay protected.

WTF are you talking about?

In a vacation month your trips drop that your vacation touches. You are NOT pay protected for those trips, you are pay protected to at least guarantee. If the LV of your remaining trips and your vacation is over 75 than obviously you get paid that.

 

[Baronman]

I'm talking about vacation. With PBS there are no conflicting trips to drop, so you only make guarantee unless you sacrifice days off to get up to 75 credit hours. Also, if you're at less than 75 hours you still get paid 75 hours in a vacation month, but extra work does not go on top of guarantee, so to make extra money you have to work for free until you get to 75 hours.

This stinks. 75 hours 3 times a year doesn't cut it. I like to work a little during vacation to get my pay up to the high 80's.

 

[Speedtape]

and true. If the company wants to give an 8.05 RR in between two 5 or 6 leg days on the 50.. and their only excuse is that its legal, then fine..everyone understands that RR overnights happen, but when you get them twice on a 4 day it gets dangerous. When those first flights in start running 45, hour, 1 1/2 late they will make the change to normal rest.

The new rest rules will fix this problem. Reduced Rest will expire.

 

[Speedtape]

This stinks. 75 hours 3 times a year doesn't cut it. I like to work a little during vacation to get my pay up to the high 80's.

Work during vacation? Why take one? Make more money in a vacation month than guarantee? That can be done with PBS in a vacation month, but you will be giving up days off--obviously.

 

[Speedtape]

2500 erj pilots say PBS is history. Many IAD pilots are fed up with PBS and are lobbying against it with the erj pilots in the crew rooms and on overnights. There are "no PBS" notes in their cockpits and nopbs.com. A five minute ride on the hotel van with erj pilots saying they're open to it means nothing, they're just avoiding confrontation. The fact is they're altogether opposed to it.

PBS is a good system with good features, but the company is misusing it. PBS will be gone, and I'm glad.

PBS is the only thing I have ever voted "yes" for and I regret it. I'm voting no on any TA with PBS in it and encouraging the erj pilots to do the same.

Even our own mec, ie, NT is taking sides with the company saying vacation low will be eliminated and many of the QOL features will be lost.

I've seen Expressjet's line bidding and it blows what we have away.

Many? Maybe a few. I worked in IAD. After 3 months, many liked it! Your diatribe has many broadbrushed generalizations that simply are not true. Face your Fears! Everything will be OK. And, learn to bid!

 

[Speedtape]

We need more than control of pairing construction. With the company having control of the threshold you can't bid guarantee, or a 3 on - 4 off schedule.

The Company sets the TLV. You set the PCT. If you set the PCT, it neuters the TLV.

The threshold has nothing to do with pairing value or productivity. PBS simply distributes pairings--under your direction to a large degree, if you know how to bid.

To have 3 on and 4 off, the pairings need to have high credit value--in PBS or line bidding. Your stage lengths are about 75 minutes, average. How many legs do you need to fly to get 6 to 7 hours a day to produce 3 day pairings with 18-20 hours?

And junior line holders end up on reserve if guys below them have vacation or training.

Yes. This is not line bidding. It is PBS. In PBS, you are bidding individual pairings to try and achieve a target, not the threshold. If you have pre-assigned credit, then you have a head start, generally. Everyone gets vacation throughout the year. In PBS, any trip awarded to a pilot was available to any pilot senior to that pilot, unless the more senior pilot was restricted by too much block in 7 days, a conflict with a pre-assigned, or a number of other reasons. Is this any different than when you pick up open time?

 

[Speedtape]

Sorry, I was talking about the dropped portions of trips conflicting with vacations.

Signed, Mr Ambiguity ,(-;

Why should you get paid for work that you did not do? Do you pay someone to cut your yard if he does not cut your yard?