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[jetwash]

Just because you feel the need to be represented, doesn't mean that they feel they need the union help.

I am sure none of them will not accept any raise in pay that the Union gets for them.

It will just show what kind of people they are if they take the raise without helping to get the contract.

 

[dash_trash]

I am sure none of them will not accept any raise in pay that the Union gets for them.

It will just show what kind of people they are if they take the raise without helping to get the contract.

The same kind of people who have requested representation when their job was on the line ... low and behold the Union represents them ... saves their job and they still don't pay their dues ... shameless selfishness.

 

[The Great One]

Isn't 15 on 3 off motivation enough?

the 7 on 3 off and 8 on does happen but then it's 12 off.
But too many people are scared of calling fatigue.
I do it everytime i get the 7-3-8.
3 days off isn't enough to rest, especially when you get home late on day 8. They get pissed, but they can kiss my a$$, i'm fatigued on day 1 of second rotation.

If only we had solidarity.........

 

[TurboHonda]

In my opinion, the union is hurting their cause, and I back their resistance 100%.

What cause? Look up the definition of cause and see if they remotely have one.

 

[hydrarkt]

Hurt which group as a whole? So you are suggesting to call them out? Treat them like they are doing something wrong by not agreeing with the union? Are these the pilots who voted against the union in the first place? Why do you feel the need to pressure them to do something that they didn't want to do? It seems to me, like they have found a way to fight back against the union they didn't want in the first place. What gives the union the right to pressure these guys into doing something that they don't want to do? This is my whole premise against unions. Unions force their will on others that don't want there help. Just because you feel the need to be represented, doesn't mean that they feel they need the union help. You think that these guys are hurting the union cause. In my opinion, the union is hurting their cause, and I back their resistance 100%.

So you don't want better pay, better schedules and decent work rules?? Yeah, I can see how that would suck! If you had it your way, everyone in the industry would continue to fly for whore wages and get treated like crap by the companies for the rest of their lives. I'm willing to bet that the majority an FO would like better pay, better schedules and better work rules.
Like I said previously, there were some guys like you here at NJA. They definately hurt and slowed the cause of better lives for the vast majority. Sometimes in life it's better to get behind a cause when it's good for the whole.

 

[B19 Flyer]

So you don't want better pay, better schedules and decent work rules?? Yeah, I can see how that would suck! If you had it your way, everyone in the industry would continue to fly for whore wages and get treated like crap by the companies for the rest of their lives. I'm willing to bet that the majority an FO would like better pay, better schedules and better work rules.
Like I said previously, there were some guys like you here at NJA. They definately hurt and slowed the cause of better lives for the vast majority. Sometimes in life it's better to get behind a cause when it's good for the whole.

Apparently, others don't have the same opinion as you.

 

[GerryG]

Babbling Bob

It seems to me that Bob, I mean B19 has a lot of time on his hands. For someone who characterises himself as a globe trotting, been-there-and-done- that with unions sort of guy he surely is busy on this site.

Are things so slow in that corner office at FLOPS that you actually have time to mess around on here?

Are you trying to buck-up an insurrection against the union all by yourself?

Problem is, your handlers have done such a good job of pissing us off that your job has been made difficult, hasn't it? Tough spot to be in, especially when you consider what happened to BB when he failed at NJ.

 

[B19 Flyer]

It seems to me that Bob, I mean B19 has a lot of time on his hands. For someone who characterises himself as a globe trotting, been-there-and-done- that with unions sort of guy he surely is busy on this site.

Are things so slow in that corner office at FLOPS that you actually have time to mess around on here?

Are you trying to buck-up an insurrection against the union all by yourself?

Problem is, your handlers have done such a good job of pissing us off that your job has been made difficult, hasn't it? Tough spot to be in, especially when you consider what happened to BB when he failed at NJ.

Bringing a union on to the property is tough isn't it? Not everybody wants it there, and not everybody is in agreement with those that voted it in. Reality, what a concept.

 

[buckeyes95]

B19, Since you seem to have such a big mouth full of opinions, do us all a favor and use it to promise that YOU wil not accept any wage, benefit, QOL, or any other improvement that a union contract will bring. Come on, be a man and stand up for what you believe in.

 

[learflyer]

You know, with out the internet, we'd all be much happier. Would it be known that Options blows? Or NJA is the greatest thing, or SWA "just wants to hire a bunch of good folks?"

 

[rettofly]

I can't wait to ASAP the first 500tt pilot that need some instructing. But I think that they will need the min 1200tt for 135 min (not that thats better)

I don't think the 1200 hr 135 mins apply to SICs.

 

[gunfyter]

Bringing a union on to the property is tough isn't it? Not everybody wants it there, and not everybody is in agreement with those that voted it in. Reality, what a concept.

DEMOCRACY
Established, since July 4, 1776​

... what a concept!​

 

[skanza]

It seems to me that Bob, I mean B19 has a lot of time on his hands. For someone who characterises himself as a globe trotting, been-there-and-done- that with unions sort of guy he surely is busy on this site.

Are things so slow in that corner office at FLOPS that you actually have time to mess around on here?

Are you trying to buck-up an insurrection against the union all by yourself?

Problem is, your handlers have done such a good job of pissing us off that your job has been made difficult, hasn't it? Tough spot to be in, especially when you consider what happened to BB when he failed at NJ.

Here we go again... Making accusations of one's identity when no one here knows who anybody else here really is. I may be management from GM that is just voicing my my anti-union opinion because of what it did to my company. (plus they build crappy cars) (hmmm... Toyota+no union=quality. GM+union=junk, money hole, paying some guy $45/hr to stay home.)
Or, I may not be....
*jab,jab*

 

[dime line]

Here we go again... Making accusations of one's identity when no one here knows who anybody else here really is. I may be management from GM that is just voicing my my anti-union opinion because of what it did to my company. (plus they build crappy cars) (hmmm... Toyota+no union=quality. GM+union=junk, money hole, paying some guy $45/hr to stay home.)
Or, I may not be....
*jab,jab*

Here it comes again......

 

[DO-82 driver]

Here we go again... Making accusations of one's identity when no one here knows who anybody else here really is.

Mann....are you naive. Do you really think many of us don't know who the other person is?

Its propaganda spreading at its finest!!!!!!

 

[dash_trash]

(hmmm... Toyota+no union=quality. GM+union=junk, money hole, paying some guy $45/hr to stay home.)
Or, I may not be....
*jab,jab*

or maybe it is mgmt that continues to screw the pooch and not the average worker. I believe if you check the rates of the workers, Toyota is on par with the big 3 in pay and benefits. The difference comes in when we look at the very top. The CEO of Toyota doesn't make nearly as much as say the CEO of Ford, and clearly wants to see his company succeed. Lets see ... Ford has mortgage the entire company include the copyrighted blue oval symbol and is asking the workers to tighten their belts, all the while their CEO is among the top 10 highest paid in the US. Why should he prosper on the backs of those that actually do the work?

Flame away

 

[B19 Flyer]

DEMOCRACY​

Established, since July 4, 1776​

... what a concept!​

My reference was to the fact that it isn't easy bringing a union onto the property. Of course it's a democracy. But at the same time, just because you don't get the cooperation that you think you should get, doesn't mean that you have a right to force them to do what you want if they don't agree with you. That isn't democracy, that's a dictatorship.

 

[gunfyter]

Dictatorship... thats the non-union shop.

 

[FRLWD]

My reference was to the fact that it isn't easy bringing a union onto the property.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

 

[skanza]

or maybe it is mgmt that continues to screw the pooch and not the average worker. I believe if you check the rates of the workers, Toyota is on par with the big 3 in pay and benefits. The difference comes in when we look at the very top. The CEO of Toyota doesn't make nearly as much as say the CEO of Ford, and clearly wants to see his company succeed. Lets see ... Ford has mortgage the entire company include the copyrighted blue oval symbol and is asking the workers to tighten their belts, all the while their CEO is among the top 10 highest paid in the US. Why should he prosper on the backs of those that actually do the work?

Flame away

That's some interesting data. And I agree with your last sentence completely.