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[rettofly]

I can't wait to ASAP the first 500tt pilot that need some instructing. But I think that they will need the min 1200tt for 135 min (not that thats better)

I don't think the 1200 hr 135 mins apply to SICs.

 

[gunfyter]

Bringing a union on to the property is tough isn't it? Not everybody wants it there, and not everybody is in agreement with those that voted it in. Reality, what a concept.

DEMOCRACY
Established, since July 4, 1776​

... what a concept!​

 

[skanza]

It seems to me that Bob, I mean B19 has a lot of time on his hands. For someone who characterises himself as a globe trotting, been-there-and-done- that with unions sort of guy he surely is busy on this site.

Are things so slow in that corner office at FLOPS that you actually have time to mess around on here?

Are you trying to buck-up an insurrection against the union all by yourself?

Problem is, your handlers have done such a good job of pissing us off that your job has been made difficult, hasn't it? Tough spot to be in, especially when you consider what happened to BB when he failed at NJ.

Here we go again... Making accusations of one's identity when no one here knows who anybody else here really is. I may be management from GM that is just voicing my my anti-union opinion because of what it did to my company. (plus they build crappy cars) (hmmm... Toyota+no union=quality. GM+union=junk, money hole, paying some guy $45/hr to stay home.)
Or, I may not be....
*jab,jab*

 

[dime line]

Here we go again... Making accusations of one's identity when no one here knows who anybody else here really is. I may be management from GM that is just voicing my my anti-union opinion because of what it did to my company. (plus they build crappy cars) (hmmm... Toyota+no union=quality. GM+union=junk, money hole, paying some guy $45/hr to stay home.)
Or, I may not be....
*jab,jab*

Here it comes again......

 

[DO-82 driver]

Here we go again... Making accusations of one's identity when no one here knows who anybody else here really is.

Mann....are you naive. Do you really think many of us don't know who the other person is?

Its propaganda spreading at its finest!!!!!!

 

[dash_trash]

(hmmm... Toyota+no union=quality. GM+union=junk, money hole, paying some guy $45/hr to stay home.)
Or, I may not be....
*jab,jab*

or maybe it is mgmt that continues to screw the pooch and not the average worker. I believe if you check the rates of the workers, Toyota is on par with the big 3 in pay and benefits. The difference comes in when we look at the very top. The CEO of Toyota doesn't make nearly as much as say the CEO of Ford, and clearly wants to see his company succeed. Lets see ... Ford has mortgage the entire company include the copyrighted blue oval symbol and is asking the workers to tighten their belts, all the while their CEO is among the top 10 highest paid in the US. Why should he prosper on the backs of those that actually do the work?

Flame away

 

[B19 Flyer]

DEMOCRACY​

Established, since July 4, 1776​

... what a concept!​

My reference was to the fact that it isn't easy bringing a union onto the property. Of course it's a democracy. But at the same time, just because you don't get the cooperation that you think you should get, doesn't mean that you have a right to force them to do what you want if they don't agree with you. That isn't democracy, that's a dictatorship.

 

[gunfyter]

Dictatorship... thats the non-union shop.

 

[FRLWD]

My reference was to the fact that it isn't easy bringing a union onto the property.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

 

[skanza]

or maybe it is mgmt that continues to screw the pooch and not the average worker. I believe if you check the rates of the workers, Toyota is on par with the big 3 in pay and benefits. The difference comes in when we look at the very top. The CEO of Toyota doesn't make nearly as much as say the CEO of Ford, and clearly wants to see his company succeed. Lets see ... Ford has mortgage the entire company include the copyrighted blue oval symbol and is asking the workers to tighten their belts, all the while their CEO is among the top 10 highest paid in the US. Why should he prosper on the backs of those that actually do the work?

Flame away

That's some interesting data. And I agree with your last sentence completely.

 

[skanza]

Mann....are you naive. Do you really think many of us don't know who the other person is?

Its propaganda spreading at its finest!!!!!!

Really? Than who am I? I'll guaranteeyou don't know. If so, send me an email...

 

[B19 Flyer]

Why should he prosper on the backs of those that actually do the work?

Flame away

Is he truly prospering or has he earned the right to make more money than the rest because he has the most responsibility? Is it because he is smart enough to be the CEO and the rest of us aren't? Typical union statement. If you are smart enough to start a company or lead a company, the unions still feel that you should automatically spread the wealth amongst all the workers rather than take any profit yourself for any of your efforts. Yep, the unions will complain about a CEO making 20 million a year in a multibillion dollar a year company, but when the contract sucks so much money out of the company that it's forced nearly into bankrupcty, the union will take no responsibility in acting quickly enough to stop the inevitable, even after the CEO gives his entire salary up.

 

[ITFL]

Hi Bob

HI BOB. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qajBfEdzoE&NR=1

 

[dime line]

Is he truly prospering or has he earned the right to make more money than the rest because he has the most responsibility? Is it because he is smart enough to be the CEO and the rest of us aren't? Typical union statement. If you are smart enough to start a company or lead a company, the unions still feel that you should automatically spread the wealth amongst all the workers rather than take any profit yourself for any of your efforts. Yep, the unions will complain about a CEO making 20 million a year in a multibillion dollar a year company, but when the contract sucks so much money out of the company that it's forced nearly into bankrupcty, the union will take no responsibility in acting quickly enough to stop the inevitable, even after the CEO gives his entire salary up.

So I guess its ok that Fords (not doing to good) CEO's wife gets to use the company plane when she wants with her friends and with out the CEO on board.
My company crys poverty, all the while our senior (leadership) if you call it that, uses the planes for family functions. We fly sales peoples wifes as well. SO how is that ok in your eyes.... and Oh please flame away b19

 

[FRLWD]

even after the CEO gives his entire salary up.

That's funny! When has a CEO ever given up his entire salary?

And be realistic......When has a unions contract ever been solely responsible for financial difficulties of a company? And don't rehash the same tired article you posted about lack of profits prior to 9/11/01, because it doesn't give a comprehensive explanation of an airlines financial structure.

 

[skanza]

So I guess its ok that Fords (not doing to good) CEO's wife gets to use the company plane when she wants with her friends and with out the CEO on board.
My company crys poverty, all the while our senior (leadership) if you call it that, uses the planes for family functions. We fly sales peoples wifes as well. SO how is that ok in your eyes.... and Oh please flame away b19

Dude, if that's true at Options, its not ok in my eyes. And only those being flown or the pilots flying them know the answer. This is a business, not a play ground for self-designated "important" people. I share your disgust Dime.

 

[dime line]

Dude, if that's true at Options, its not ok in my eyes. And only those being flown or the pilots flying them know the answer. This is a business, not a play ground for self-designated "important" people. I share your disgust Dime.

I'm one of those pilots......kinda hard to make this up

 

[gunfyter]

Anybody leaving for other Fracs?

 

[dime line]

Anybody leaving for other Fracs?

Yea as soon as NJ opens up bases

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Hurt which group as a whole? So you are suggesting to call them out? Treat them like they are doing something wrong by not agreeing with the union? Are these the pilots who voted against the union in the first place? Why do you feel the need to pressure them to do something that they didn't want to do? It seems to me, like they have found a way to fight back against the union they didn't want in the first place. What gives the union the right to pressure these guys into doing something that they don't want to do? This is my whole premise against unions. Unions force their will on others that don't want there help. Just because you feel the need to be represented, doesn't mean that they feel they need the union help. You think that these guys are hurting the union cause. In my opinion, the union is hurting their cause, and I back their resistance 100%.

OH SHUT UP.......

 

[Fozzy]

Doesn't Options or more importantly your parent company have an anonymous Ombudsman line? That may be worth the call.
Just be ready for the chit storm that could follow!

 

[ProFracPilot]

Doesn't Options or more importantly your parent company have an anonymous Ombudsman line? That may be worth the call.
Just be ready for the chit storm that could follow!

It would be useless to call Mother Raytheon on this subject. They signed off on the employment CONTRACTS that give all management at the VP level up and the sales gerbiles some form of company provided air transportation perk.

Oh, the irony...

 

[Fozzy]

Okay, if that is true, what are you all complaining about? If it is not abuse and part of their package, there really is no complaint.

 

[Publishers]

Somewhere along this discussion it should be remembered that Raytheon is pretty much stuck with FLOPS as the purchaser of Hawker refused to take it with the deal. That and the reduction of aircraft and crews accompanies by silence from the world might indicate lack of interest. A union is not going to do much good when no one cares.

 

[dime line]

Somewhere along this discussion it should be remembered that Raytheon is pretty much stuck with FLOPS as the purchaser of Hawker refused to take it with the deal. That and the reduction of aircraft and crews accompanies by silence from the world might indicate lack of interest. A union is not going to do much good when no one cares.

And you know this how? Were you in on the meetings?

 

[dime line]

So I guess its ok that Fords (not doing to good) CEO's wife gets to use the company plane when she wants with her friends and with out the CEO on board.
My company crys poverty, all the while our senior (leadership) if you call it that, uses the planes for family functions. We fly sales peoples wifes as well. SO how is that ok in your eyes.... and Oh please flame away b19

Where you at 19? I know your out trolling

 

[hammer2]

Don't just complain, put your dues to work for you. STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm not being sarcastic either.)

 

[dash_trash]

Don't just complain, put your dues to work for you. STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm not being sarcastic either.)

Just not that simple.

 

[B19 Flyer]

That's funny! When has a CEO ever given up his entire salary?

And be realistic......When has a unions contract ever been solely responsible for financial difficulties of a company? And don't rehash the same tired article you posted about lack of profits prior to 9/11/01, because it doesn't give a comprehensive explanation of an airlines financial structure.

It's funny?

Name one single union that has ever voluntarily done what Grinstein did at Delta. Who cares more, the CEO of Delta or the ALPA union that had all the opportunities in the world to make the needed changes that could have kept Delta out of bankruptcy?

March 2007:

Turning his back on a potentially lucrative payday, Delta Air Lines CEO Gerald Grinstein said Monday that he is refusing any stock, stock options or cash when the carrier emerges from bankruptcy.

Grinstein, who has led the USA's No. 3 airline since January 2004, said he wants Delta instead to invest what he would have gotten in post-bankruptcy bonuses, to be used for scholarships and emergency hardship assistance for Delta employees, families and retirees. Under a post-bankruptcy compensation plan unveiled Monday, Grinstein could have been expected to net about $10 million, including such bonuses, over about three years.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2007-03-20-delta-pay-usat_N.htm

September 2004:

http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/3242603/c_3242624?f=TodayInFinance_Inside

CFO.com
September 30, 2004
Airlines are famous for cutting and raising fares immediately after their competitors take such actions. Now, it seems, they’re applying the same strategy to cost reductions.
On Tuesday, Delta Air Lines Inc. instituted an across-the-board pay reduction of 10 percent for executives, supervisory and administrative, and front-line employees, with smaller reductions for some entry-level posts. The pay cuts were announced in conjunction with other cost-saving measures.

In a memo to employees that the company made public Wednesday afternoon, Delta chief executive Gerald Grinstein also said he would not take his salary for the rest of the year. "In distressed times like these, when everyone must sacrifice, it is especially important that leadership participates, and they have. It is also necessary for me to lead the way."

 

[dash_trash]

He didn't take his BONUS, but did take his salary, which by the way was not cut by 50% like the pilot, F/A's, Mechanics, etc.

Now back to the original intent of the thread and that would be flight options.

In his previous life at USAir, our illustrious CEO took a bonus while in bankruptcy. Thats right, the leadership of USAir, the same ones that took them into bankrutpcy, had no problem standing in front of the judge and declaring they needed bonus', while many of us were looking at cuts of 40% or more.

And your next justification will be ... what?