Options Pilots About To Draw A Line In The Sand!!!

[netjetwife]

You guys are certainly due for that light at the end of the tunnel. Way to hang in there!!

 

[Fedmagnet]

In the middle of another peak season and nothing has changed. Management and the Union Consultant is still playing the pilot group.

 

[skanza]

^^^ No rather, I think this union BS and all the threats made here by the folks on this board are not as big of an issue as these guys like to think. You guys talk big threats - strike, ground airplanes, call in "sick" or "fatigued", all to slow the operation. But the show still goes on.
This is silly anymore...

 

[SecondSegment]

It's all just tough talk. Most of the MIGS are unemployed. That's why they have so much time to dream up this crap. Among the employed pilots at Options, MIGS are a minority and loosing ground.

The negotiations have been a bungled mess. Wrong people. Wrong consultants. Wrong time.

All of the big talk about scabs ASSUMES that MIGS are the majority of the remaining employed pilots.

 

[o2bflyn]

MIGS?? Not familiar with that one.

 

[clydefastly]

MIGS=Members In Good Standing(all paid up)

We really do need an Acronym thread.

 

[993_Pilot]

...All of the big talk about scabs ASSUMES that MIGS are the majority of the remaining employed pilots.

No, actually it doesn't. If it comes down to a strike, and you choose to cross the picket line, then you're a scab. Period. It doesn't matter if you're a MIG or not, or even if you support the union at all. If you cross the line, then you're a scab. The strike authorization has already happened, we just need to be released by the NMB and wait for the 30 day cooling off period to expire for it to happen. We can't control when we're released, but this can't go on forever. What will go on forever is the list of those who cross... they might as well get the word "SCAB" tattooed on their forehead.

Maybe you and Skanza will get lucky and management will settle this before it comes to a strike.

 

[993_Pilot]

^^^ No rather, I think this union BS and all the threats made here by the folks on this board are not as big of an issue as these guys like to think. You guys talk big threats - strike, ground airplanes, call in "sick" or "fatigued", all to slow the operation. But the show still goes on.
This is silly anymore...

What you really mean is that you are surprised that this pilot group has acted as professionals and showed some restraint as we were asked to do be the union leaders? You just wish we would all act like Fedmagnet and get ourselves fired so we could then get all pissy about the union and its leaders.

As frustrating as it is sometimes, I think I would rather go through this process the way the RLA intended and come out with a contract and the union still intact.

 

[SecondSegment]

Wrong Again Homer.

It means that the Majority of Employed Pilots want 1108 GONE. The vote will come and it will confirm this. That means No Strike, No SCABS, Yes CONTRACT.

Very similar to the evolution at NJ. We will have an in-house and a contract.

I'll recognize you in the FBO by that Homer look on your face.

 

[Fedmagnet]

No, actually it doesn't. If it comes down to a strike, and you choose to cross the picket line, then you're a scab. Period. It doesn't matter if you're a MIG or not, or even if you support the union at all. If you cross the line, then you're a scab. The strike authorization has already happened, we just need to be released by the NMB and wait for the 30 day cooling off period to expire for it to happen. We can't control when we're released, but this can't go on forever. What will go on forever is the list of those who cross... they might as well get the word "SCAB" tattooed on their forehead.

Maybe you and Skanza will get lucky and management will settle this before it comes to a strike.

Released to strike during the off season at Flight Options?? Boy that will show them. Is that a oxy-moron? You have Ricci on the run now.
Management and the consultant has steered the pilots right where they want them through you. Ricci has sold and bought the company as if you dont even exist, proof the company has full control of the Union.

 

[SecondSegment]

Yeah, That's some strategy. They will wait until the country is in deep recession with 11% unemployment nationally and 20% industry wide. Then they will really have management by the curlies when they pull surprise after peak season strike. Brilliant! Brilliant! Just like the Germans in Bastogne.

How many millions $$ ? How many years? What a Mess.

 

[dime line]

Yeah, That's some strategy. They will wait until the country is in deep recession with 11% unemployment nationally and 20% industry wide. Then they will really have management by the curlies when they pull surprise after peak season strike. Brilliant! Brilliant! Just like the Germans in Bastogne.

How many millions $$ ? How many years? What a Mess.

WOW! just WOW. And your in house Union can do better how?

 

[993_Pilot]

Apparently neither of you get it. There are more options than just striking. While a strike would be more effective during Christmas/New Years travel, It would still cause turmoil within the company, regardless of when it occurred. But, not to worry, there are still plenty of peak travel days left. A strike would also make anyone who flew the struck work a scab. Even people who don't support the union, or who aren't presently employed at Flops will have to think long and hard before they get stamped with that label for the rest of their career. Even Fedmagnet wouldn't be foolish enough to cross and Second Segement will be too busy trying to get everyone to vote him president of his new in-house, but at least they know that they can count on Skanza!... maybe B19 will even come lend a hand!

 

[SecondSegment]

WOW! just WOW. And your in house Union can do better how?

Dude. How could it be more screwed up than it is?

Seriously.

Without the in house.. Your choices are walk the plank or walk the plank.

Take away the spin from either side.

Look at where we are at, and, look at where we are going.

This is a no brainer.

 

[SecondSegment]

Homer. Try not to be a DUMBASS.

Maybe you could just chime in when you have something intelligent to say. We've heard all the rhetoric over and over again. It's a dead end.

Here's a cookie. Go Away!

 

[993_Pilot]

...Without the in house.. Your choices are walk the plank or walk the plank...

That is exactly what you'd be doing, walking the plank... over the edge and right in to the deep part of the ocean where the sharks swim. Management would love to have an adversary like an under-funded, under-educated in-house, lead by you.
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What a joke!

Homer. Try not to be a DUMBASS.

Maybe you could just chime in when you have something intelligent to say. We've heard all the rhetoric over and over again. It's a dead end.

Here's a cookie. Go Away!

Back to being clever again, huh?

 

[GerryG]

Second Segment is Management

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/house-union.html

House Union
Definition

[FONT=&quot]Alternative term for company union.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Company Union [/FONT]

Definition

Often bogus and generally illegal 'union' which is organized, financed, and dominated by an employer to hamper employees from organizing a real union. Also called house union.


From Levitt's Confessions of a Union Buster


"Under the real or even theoretical threat of a union, Shefferman (Early pioneer of Union Busting Nathan Shefferman) advised management to institute a device called an employee roundtable. Purportedly designed to give workers a way to air their grievances and influence company policy, in reality the roundtable becomes management’s tap into the worker grapevine and its repressive thumb on the informal worker power structure. The regular group meetings provided management with a system for planting information, as well as for identifying and controlling the leaders among employees."

 

[SecondSegment]

That is exactly what you'd be doing, walking the plank... over the edge and right in to the deep part of the ocean where the sharks swim. Management would love to have an adversary like an under-funded, under-educated in-house, lead by you.
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Homer. You're just going around in circles. We know the circle story.

Remember, We talked about funding - 50 bucks for a website, $10k for bar tabs, $25k for the Fancy Office, a secretary that makes more than the FOs did, $500k for the genius from United that NetJets schlepped off on us. You guys are like poor people that win the lottery - They end up poor again.

Homer, Something intelligent to add here?

 

[SecondSegment]

Gerry, Keep your nose in that dictionary. Stay in the bubble. Keep dreaming of some nice little utopia where the underachievers get to be the HEROES. And, free ganje for everyone.

The ship is sinking.

After spending all the Time and all the Money the best options the IBT can bring to the table are;

1, Go on strike and get replaced.
2, Be a scab and keep your job.

I think these options suck and that the U has done a crappy job. Playing hardball and going on strike during the worst economic times since the depression is nothing short of STUPID. So Please, Don't put yourself on par with people that actually know what they are doing and capable of NEGOTIATING (Look that one up Gerry) a DEAL that allows the company and employees to prosper together. You guys had had a chance to do something great, but instead just dragged us all down.

Wave good bye Gerry (nice avitar). Time is running out.

 

[993_Pilot]

...Remember, We talked about funding - 50 bucks for a website, $10k for bar tabs, $25k for the Fancy Office, a secretary that makes more than the FOs did, $500k for the genius from United that NetJets schlepped off on us. You guys are like poor people that win the lottery - They end up poor again.

Homer, Something intelligent to add here?

Why don't you show us some and start a new thread with some serious discussion about a plan for forming an in-house, and put it up for a little peer review? What are you going to do, Run this on a shoe string budget out of your garage? After that success, you could start another one to see how much support you have. So let's see if I have this right...

1. No office space = zero cost
2. No support staff = zero cost
3. No professional advisers = zero cost
4. No legal advisers = zero cost
5. No Bar tab (for your humor) = zero cost
6. Website Hosting = $50/yr.
7. No Website maintenance = zero cost (I'm sure you can maintain it yourself)

So apparently you're an unmarried insomniac who is going to do it all between your flights? Assuming (big assumption) that you were actually able to get this far, Next, I suppose you'll go off half cocked and try to get all of your followers to "walk the plank"? What happens when you make a legal blunder, because remember...

...The RLA is another famous reference that gets thrown around like people really do know what they are talking about. NONSENSE! It's a legal document that regularly requires layers and judges to interpret...

Maybe by "people", you meant everyone but you, because you understand it all perfectly? If not, we all know that you're clever, so you can just figure it out as you go, with no need for advisers right?

I'm thinking all those "zero costs", would actually cost us big by producing zero results!

I would attempt to match wits with you, but so far you haven't shown me any. You might as well just go ahead and throw out another clever quip about the look on Homers face.

 

[SecondSegment]

Way behind again Homer. Maybe you should read it twice.

What we have here IS ZERO RESULTS from the IBT.

Infact, It's worse than zero because allot of good people are having their jobs and reputations threatened by a few people (allot less than half of the employed pilots at Options). This Majority Of The Pilots have had enough of being held HOSTAGE.

Homer, THAT'S IT. That is how it is. Deal with it!

 

[993_Pilot]

Way behind again Homer. Maybe you should read it twice.

What we have here IS ZERO RESULTS from the IBT.

Infact, It's worse than zero because allot of good people are having their jobs and reputations threatened by a few people (allot less than half of the employed pilots at Options). This Majority Of The Pilots have had enough of being held HOSTAGE.

Homer, THAT'S IT. That is how it is. Deal with it!

You seem to be confused, we don't have zero results. There has been plenty of progress. All that remains to be TA'd is the economic package.

No one is being held hostage, in fact, you're free to go start that in-house you keep talking about. You could manage it democratically and get everyone's input before you make a decision, it would be great! I'm not really sure what "walk the plank" means, but I'm sure it would be really successful !

 

[GerryG]

Gerry, Keep your nose in that dictionary. Stay in the bubble. Keep dreaming of some nice little utopia where the underachievers get to be the HEROES. And, free ganje for everyone.

The ship is sinking.

After spending all the Time and all the Money the best options the IBT can bring to the table are;

1, Go on strike and get replaced.
2, Be a scab and keep your job.

I think these options suck and that the U has done a crappy job. Playing hardball and going on strike during the worst economic times since the depression is nothing short of STUPID. So Please, Don't put yourself on par with people that actually know what they are doing and capable of NEGOTIATING (Look that one up Gerry) a DEAL that allows the company and employees to prosper together. You guys had had a chance to do something great, but instead just dragged us all down.

Wave good bye Gerry (nice avitar). Time is running out.

These are the words of a coward, someone who sees danger and comes up with two options, both unappealing to him. Cowards will deceive you if they can and yes sometimes a fateful decision is made, which has life long consequences. Bullies such as this one have undoubtedly made cowardly decisions in the past. Another crisis of courage presents itself and what does he do? He looks around for cover. But this time, his nose to air for scent of fear, he wants to lure others into ducking for cover with him. He learned his lesson the last time.

In the end there is a third option this coward conveniently forgets. Sticking together, confronting fear and demanding something better. The only power a group of working people truly have in this country is the power of solidarity. The union is scary to people like Second Segment, because it asks for your courage. It says, “This will be hard, but if we stand together we will win.”

A small, weak, in-house union is the way of the timid and the fearful. It appeals to those who think the safer path is to put out a hand and meekly ask management to “please take care of me”, rather than demand what is rightfully ours. It is the coward’s way out.



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[SecondSegment]

Gerry, The Almity hath implanted your head somewhere that the sun don't shine. You've got to put the crack pipe down for a while. You can't honestly believe your own bullsh!t.

The cowards, The Heroes, The Almighty, Yateeda Yada, Bullsh!t. You're really wacked buddy. Dude, You need some serious couch time. Seriously, You remind me of Charlie Manson saying "follow me".

 

[GerryG]

Gerry, The Almity hath implanted your head somewhere that the sun don't shine. You've got to put the crack pipe down for a while. You can't honestly believe your own bullsh!t.

The cowards, The Heroes, The Almighty, Yateeda Yada, Bullsh!t. You're really wacked buddy. Dude, You need some serious couch time. Seriously, You remind me of Charlie Manson saying "follow me".

Pretty funny stuff there champ. But you're gonna have to come up with something more persuasive than these ad-hominem attacks. Ya know, make an actual argument.

 

[993_Pilot]

Gerry,
Our real mistake is making the assumption that he is capable of an actual argument.

Que another Smart A$$ed comment from "2ndSeg" in 3, 2, 1....

 

[GerryG]

Yea probably, but at least that deficiency will have been exposed. I think people know a shrill when they see one.

 

[SecondSegment]

I don't have anything to argue with you about. I came here to make a statement about where I think the Options Pilots are going and why the leadership has failed. It's as simple as that.

If I run into opposition with people making stupid comments about my statements then I engage long enough that an intelligent reader can look at the points made by both sides and decide for themselves.

The bar tab humor was appreciated, and it was tough to stick to just the Animal House clip.

The core value that 1108 started with was the intention to get rid of Scheringa and to make this a better place. It's time to go back to the core values and unfortunately, In my opinion, after Shcheringa the 1108 has turned into our next biggest problem. The intention of 1108 at this point in time is to close the doors and forfeit jobs in order to save face.

The company is in terrible shape and the economy is the worst since the depression. Look at all the beechjets parked in front with no engines. It looks like a junkyard. I've worked at several companies that have failed, seen bounced paychecks, been kicked out of hotels because cards bounced, had to charge fuel on my personal card, It's not my first rodeo.

My goal is to do everything I can to salvage ten years invested in what I see as a failing company. People that want to work hard to make that happen may have a chance of still having a job this time next year. People that are just getting in the way will get left behind, in my opinion. Dumping the 1108 and moving into a more moderate, growth oriented, more intelligent platform is where we are going.

Anyway, there does not seem to be any further point in the conversation. I could never convince you to my way of thinking and I have no intention informing you further of future events. Have fun.

 

[dime line]

I don't have anything to argue with you about. I came here to make a statement about where I think the Options Pilots are going and why the leadership has failed. It's as simple as that.

If I run into opposition with people making stupid comments about my statements then I engage long enough that an intelligent reader can look at the points made by both sides and decide for themselves.

The bar tab humor was appreciated, and it was tough to stick to just the Animal House clip.

The core value that 1108 started with was the intention to get rid of Scheringa and to make this a better place. It's time to go back to the core values and unfortunately, In my opinion, after Shcheringa the 1108 has turned into our next biggest problem. The intention of 1108 at this point in time is to close the doors and forfeit jobs in order to save face.

The company is in terrible shape and the economy is the worst since the depression. Look at all the beechjets parked in front with no engines. It looks like a junkyard. I've worked at several companies that have failed, seen bounced paychecks, been kicked out of hotels because cards bounced, had to charge fuel on my personal card, It's not my first rodeo.

My goal is to do everything I can to salvage ten years invested in what I see as a failing company. People that want to work hard to make that happen may have a chance of still having a job this time next year. People that are just getting in the way will get left behind, in my opinion. Dumping the 1108 and moving into a more moderate, growth oriented, more intelligent platform is where we are going.

Anyway, there does not seem to be any further point in the conversation. I could never convince you to my way of thinking and I have no intention informing you further of future events. Have fun.

Your funny. Do you really believe the crap your spewing?

 

[ProFracPilot]

Anyway, there does not seem to be any further point in the conversation. I could never convince you to my way of thinking and I have no intention informing you further of future events. Have fun.

Thank God.