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Options Pilots About To Draw A Line In The Sand!!!

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Rock and roll there boys!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's see if you can get that sympathy strike going on to support you at Netjets.... Oh, that's right... they no longer are part of 1108. Gee, that kinda sucks, doesn't it?

And remember...... Be careful what you ask for!!!!!!!!

You just might get it!!! :bawling:


B!!! Buddy! I MISSED YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH!! Where ya Been?
My life hasnt been complete without your diatribes! Where did you go?
Back to the home office to get retrained in FUD? A long vacation? A visit to the lloney bin? HEY, NJW!! Look who I found clawing at the Doorstoop!! Its our pal and amigo B!! My Goodness, its been so long!

I am sooooo relieved you are ok, and back with us. My life is complete once again! Damn, Son, Gimme some MORE of that B19 wisdom!!! I need it like I need more COWBELL!
 
By all means, HSF, if it amuses you, throw clawing whiners a bone...err quote... :p As for me, I can live just fine without all that baying at the moon and foaming at the mouth. I did get a good laugh from your post, though, and if you're happy, my friend, so am I. Simple pleasures are the best they say...;) A visit to the loony bin? Any thing's possible.
 
The Options pilots have 2 other means of getting their message across before a strike--billboards and picketing. I'd love to see either one. Hold the line, Options pilots and families! You're getting closer to your goal of a fair contract so now's the time to dig in your heels and stand up for your legal right to work under a contract. Hang in there!! Respectfully, NJW

If the advertising campaign (billboards, banners and picketing) is effective the company will demand a sacrificial lamb, Dubinsky will identify the effective anonymous union supporter and hand them over to the company to appease the gods. Then they will swiftly remove the person from the seniority list and the Union will claim that he or she deserved it.

This is exactly what happened to the last person that worked hard on a advertising campaign that embarrassed the company.

When the ones at the top sell out their brothers (and the group of pilots that they work for), it is hopeless.
 
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A strike would be Kenn's dream. It will give him a reason to fire the "bad Teamster pilots who walked off the job and negatively affected our customers" and replace them with people who will do what they are told when and how they are told to do it without question. The vast majority of the millionairs in the back really don't care about the pilots. They care about getting into Aspen, their shrimp tray, and their bill at the end of the month. I would bet most of them are actually hostile to organized labor.
 
... Dubinsky will identify the effective anonymous union supporter and hand them over to the company to appease the gods. :eek: Isn't he the labor consultant that works with Unions?? Then they will swiftly remove the person from the seniority list and the Union will claim that he or she deserved it. To clarify, I wasn't suggesting anything that wasn't arranged by 1108 and done under their guidance. This is exactly what happened to the last person that worked hard on a advertising campaign that embarrassed the company. How bizarre! Did they perhaps act on their own, unaware of the possible unintended consequences? I know timing is important during negotiations and that it's imperative that the pilots always act professionally, even when the other side doesn't. It's a harsh reminder that you don't have full oversight and due process until you have a CBA. The NJA folks were warned that "hostages" get taken in contract battles..:mad:

When the ones at the top sell out their brothers God, I hope not!! (and the group of pilots that they work for), it is hopeless.

WOW!! I feel for you guys and your families. Still, you do have the power of the vote. The final say is up to you. Hang in there and keep those of us pulling for you posted. NJW
 
Scabs? Really? Is it the 30s or what? I didn't think that term was still used.

You just nailed it. That’s the question each and every FLOPS pilot will have to ask themselves. Is being a scab a serious stigmatic issue?

There was a time when pride, character, and self esteem meant something. That time still exists for some. There are still a few pilots that would rather be unemployed than hear the word “scab” on the radio when he/she checks in with ATC. The thought of someone turning their back on them in an FBO would be the ultimate insult.

Has times really changed that much? Is the average FLOPS pilot willing to carry a brand that Ricci places on them, but not himself? A brand that will last until they die? Will they sell themselves to someone that doesn’t respect them?

Are they really mirror-proof?
 
At least the Phenom 300s are on the way!!!!! A strike would certainly crimp the introduction of that aircraft to the public.

I am surprised you FLOP pilots put up with all of this s**t!!!!! Kenn seems like the biggest loser boss (i.e., love me or you're fired). What would Herb Kelleher think about Kenn's management style?
 
You just nailed it. That’s the question each and every FLOPS pilot will have to ask themselves. Is being a scab a serious stigmatic issue?

There was a time when pride, character, and self esteem meant something. That time still exists for some. There are still a few pilots that would rather be unemployed than hear the word “scab” on the radio when he/she checks in with ATC. The thought of someone turning their back on them in an FBO would be the ultimate insult.

Has times really changed that much? Is the average FLOPS pilot willing to carry a brand that Ricci places on them, but not himself? A brand that will last until they die? Will they sell themselves to someone that doesn’t respect them?

Are they really mirror-proof?
In this day and age and market I'm sure they will have no trouble finding people of low integrity willing to sell out for a few dollars. The flight department just happens to be (mostly) run by such a group of men.
 
At least the Phenom 300s are on the way!!!!! A strike would certainly crimp the introduction of that aircraft to the public.


Kenn will railroad this to an impasse quickly so he can hire replacement pilots before the Phenom shows up in any large numbers. I would be willing to bet BT and some of his cronies have already arranged to get typed so they can fly it when the Teamsters are off the property via strike or lockout.
 
And what about managers out there who read KR's book, believing he practiced what he wrote? I'm not saying his management by trust style doesn't work. It very well could....IF...it was actually used. It must be confusing for those in FLOPS management. KR passes out his book (for free) promoting all the things he doesn't do. :rolleyes: Coming from him, the advice is worth what they paid for it. I hope some workers somewhere are benefiting because the Ft Ops pilots sure as hell haven't seen trustworthy management from the author, have they...:mad: Pilots in that situation must have a CBA they can trust to protect them from management by whim. NJW
 
Dwayne, Give it a Rest!

Fedmagnet (Dwayne),
Yes, I know who you are. You speak of the person who was fired after putting up billboards, etc., when, in fact it was you.
I think it's really sad and even pathetic that you haven't moved on yet. Everyone knows you crossed the line for years at Flight Options, before and after the union was on the property. In the end you were fired because you intentionally tried to throw a fellow pilot under the bus. No one believes the union should have defended you for that.
I have some knowledge of the many (dozens) of pilots of pilots the labor consultant has saved from management's axe over the years. If I'm not mistaken, he even pulled your arse out of the fire on at least one previous occasion. You should be ashamed to libel the reputation of a man who has for years done so much for our pilots and the labor movement in general.
As for your overall negative attitude towards the union and its leadership, I think you run the risk of being forever known as the guy who ran a close second to F&H in terms of the FUD you've spun and the disunion you've tried to generate. Your comments have been and continue to be harmful to the Flight Options pilots and their efforts to gain a contract.
I think there is a little irony in the fact that you were fired because you tried to get a brother pilot fired and now you attack all pilots at Flight Options.
Why don't you take the shred of personal reputation you have left and move on with your life? Don't forget aviation is a small community. Your actions here and elsewhere will be remembered by all of us.
Have a nice day.
 
It's time to move on Dwayne, really.

Dwayne,

Everyone who volunteered to help secure a first contract at FLOPs knew full well the risks and potential ramifications. You did too. I know this for a fact. You were repeatedly told not to step over the line and yet you did.

Your reputation for tossing fellow crewmembers under the bus became well known at FLOPs and true to form, when you got your nuts in a wringer you did it to your FO on the day you got nailed. Now you have come to Flight Info to toss the entire 1108 under the bus after the Union saved your job more than once.

It's time to admit to yourself that you stepped over the line and paid the price that we all knew we might pay in the fight for fair working conditions and compensation at FLOPs. And it's time to move on.
 
Fedmagnet (Dwayne),
Yes, I know who you are. You speak of the person who was fired after putting up billboards, etc., when, in fact it was you.
I think it's really sad and even pathetic that you haven't moved on yet. Everyone knows you crossed the line for years at Flight Options, before and after the union was on the property. In the end you were fired because you intentionally tried to throw a fellow pilot under the bus. No one believes the union should have defended you for that.
I have some knowledge of the many (dozens) of pilots of pilots the labor consultant has saved from management's axe over the years. If I'm not mistaken, he even pulled your arse out of the fire on at least one previous occasion. You should be ashamed to libel the reputation of a man who has for years done so much for our pilots and the labor movement in general.
As for your overall negative attitude towards the union and its leadership, I think you run the risk of being forever known as the guy who ran a close second to F&H in terms of the FUD you've spun and the disunion you've tried to generate. Your comments have been and continue to be harmful to the Flight Options pilots and their efforts to gain a contract.
I think there is a little irony in the fact that you were fired because you tried to get a brother pilot fired and now you attack all pilots at Flight Options.
Why don't you take the shred of personal reputation you have left and move on with your life? Don't forget aviation is a small community. Your actions here and elsewhere will be remembered by all of us.
Have a nice day.

Wow, it seems that I have hit a nerve with the Flops Union Leadership or should I say non-leadership.
Dwayne busted his ars for RTA and then Flops after the merge. He did the best he could with the busted steaming piles of aluminum handed to him by pilots that thought they were doing the company a favor by not telling anyone the plane was broke.
Dwayne joined the union in hopes of a better and safer work environment and the hopes being paid fairly. He, like many at Flops needed protection from poor management. The Union was the only option.
If he wrote up a plane, you can bet your life that is was probaly broke.

Here is some truth;

Dubinsky took it upon himself to tell Flops Management who Dwayne was and what he was, without checking with the Flops IBT 1108 Leadership. Union leadership did not support his move at that time.

On the day in question, Flops had the crew report at FBO (MX base) hours before the scheduled flight. Dwayne had to pre-flight his own plane because the SIC chose to sleep in the FBO instead of taking care of his company required duties dutys first. Dwayne found that the items he written the night before had been pencil whipped and had found other items that were clearly broken. Dwayne reported it to the MX base just yards away. MX did nothing, so Dwayne put it in writing and faxed it in. More pencil whipping insued (all documented). More write ups made due to the pencil whips. MX quit working on the plane and the trip was missed. MX had plenty of time to remedy all items per Bob Tylers times line of events.
Company fires Dwayne for missing scheduled flight. :eek:
Reason: Not flight planning aircraft fast enough per company manuals.
Dwayne points out that it is SIC's duty to pre-flight per company manuals and that it was Dwayne that actually pre-flighted within reasonable time line.
Union (dubinsky) sent Dubinsky to represent Dwayne in the meeting. Dubinsky had never represented Dwayne before this. Dwayne pointed out and documented that Dubinsky spent 0 time represnting him in his case and was not inerested in the actual events of that day, instead Dubinsky spent all his time persuading Dwayne to write up charges (un-related to this case) against Bob Rheinhold while in Cleveland for the Cuyahoga1.
The company fired Dwayne.
When a few Union leaders and supporters raised the bull shat flag after reviewing the details, Dubinsky (the union) quickly moved to discredit Dwayne by spreading the "he diserved it", "the union could not help him" and "he threw his SIC under the bus".

The President of the Union told Dwayne that he was considered a "Hostage" and hostages would be negociated for return. Recently after everyone forgot about Dwayne, Dwayne gets message from the pres (MS) that tells him he is nolonger considered a hostage. Many recieved a copy of the letter.

Dubinsky called all the shots from begining to end.
 
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... Dwayne had to pre-flight his own plane because the SIC chose to sleep in the FBO ...

Considering that the FO was so sleepy he couldn't accomplish his duties, shouldn't Dwayne have informed the company that the crew was fatigued? :confused: If a pilot is too tired to pre-flight the plane how could he be expected to fly safely? Sounds more like a judgment issue...:erm:

I should think that all Flt Ops pilots--past and present--would realize how important it is to speak with one voice during negotiations. Personality disputes and differing opinions are best handled privately when the FLOPS are waiting like vultures to pick apart any unity seams that might start to break under the strain of having management drag out the contract process. Their goal is to wear you guys down. Making comments that undermine confidence in 1108 leadership at a time like this shows poor judgment and plays into their hands. You have to push back by standing together in your fight for fairness. Hang in there! NJW
 

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