OFFICIAL! SkyWest In IAH

[Skyward]

Rogue5, the tone of my posts are not meant to be combative, I’m just trying to give my point of view. If CAL ALPA tells me there’s no deal then I believe there is no deal. CAL ALPA is supposed to release something in the next couple of days, I believe that will tell the story. Until then I will wait and see. Next time your in IAH I’ll buy ya a beer. I’m sure we could find something to talk about.

 

[Rogue5]

Cheers!

'Nuff said.

Take it easy my friend and enjoy the view!

 

[Bjet Driver]

I'll weigh in here too. Like Skyward and Pickle- I'm just waiting for the final word from our union. Press releases still don't put me back in the sky. However, I'm assuming this deal is no different that the CLE CommutAir deal- it only makes sense. Our union has been through this once before and would settle for little less. If they do, I'll be shocked. My opinion....

Flying will be done by Furloughed XJT pilots.

Preferrential Interview will be nothing more than meet n' great

XJT Pilots will be "new hires" so to speak.

When XJT resumes recalls, the Skywest guys return

If enough Skywest pilots bid for the IAH flying, the XJT guys may have to take leftovers at other bases.

Anyway, I've been on my can for 18 months so what do I know. Gordo and CAL could shock me once again, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. Anyway, I think the agreement will be good for both parties. I hope to meet some of you SKY guys soon!

 

[Mookie]

I'll bet a six-pack that no one will leave SkyWest to go back to Xjet if/when recalled. Skyward...you in????

Also, that would really suck for those who get hired here not to get based in IAH. Summers in SBA, SBP, MRY are really brutal, hope that they would be able to manage.

Mookie

 

[Bluto]

If the agreement is anything like the one with CommutAir, I doubt the furloughed pilots will be allowed to stay on at Skywest after being recalled. Eventhough many of them would love to. I guess we'll all just wait and see.

 

[hotwing]

first of all...

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[Bluto]

Again, if the agreement is anything like the one at CommutAir Skywest's problem of overstaffing should have absolutely nothing to do with this agreement. Any positions created by this new flying should go to furloughed xjt/cal pilots. The burden to fix Skywest's overstaffed condition should fall on Skywest, not CAL/XJT or their furloughed pilots.

According to a previous post, there may be an eventual need for 45 crews in IAH. Those 90 new positions should be filled by furloughed pilots, IMHO. Skywest pilots may be able to bid and fill the IAH domicile now, but regardless of where they go in the system furloughed pilots should fill those 90 new seats.

 

[hotwing]

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[Bluto]

No. Sorry if I was unclear.

Not at all. All I am saying is that any new pilot positions (90 new F.O.s, for example) that become available at Skywest because of this agreement should be available to furloughed XJT/CAL pilots.

At the very least, I believe that these pilots should be hired on at the bottom of the Skywest seniority list and be able to bid for their domicile just like anyone else. In seniority order.

It seems very clear that these pilots' opportunities for recall diminish any time another carrier performs flying for CAL. Especially from their own hubs. While XJT management has decided that prop flying is not for them, why should the furloughed pilots suffer an extended furlough due to growth at Skywest?

Does that clarify my position? I mean absolutely no disrespect to Skywest, their pilots, or the people in the pool at Skywest. This seems like the closest thing to a fair resolution. No one currently at Skywest loses anything and no furloughed pilot is any worse off than before in the short-term.

 

[hotwing]

sounds great to me... We are all in it for the best of everyone... We are essentially all on the same team... Take care all...


Hope to see you all soon...

 

[ChinaClipper]

Relax.....

the details of who is doing what will take time. SkyWest provides a good product and the happy middle will find it way. BTW I thought Mesa would get EVERY single bit of new commuter flying, right? Proof positive that quality can win over shysters....PS Cab the SkyWset guys PLEASE have the former Mesa N numbers changed on their tails, everytime I see something that ends with YV, I get kinda teary eyed about what could have been >....

 

[Smoove Ride]

From SGU...

talked to a friend in SGU who is in the know about what's up with the CAL connection deal. he said that we will give preferential interviews to furloughed XJT pilots, however, it will be a real interview. with that said, some of the furloughed do not meet our hiring minimums of 1,000TT/100multi so will not be offered an interview. also, many of the furloughed that do qualify have jet experience... and we will probably need to start filling some jet seats in the near future as we are still getting RJ's delivered. those who have jet exp. and pass the interview might get put into an RJ rather than the 120 in IAH. bottom line is that they will be interviewed, hired, etc... just like everyone else. what he was not able to tell me was how the poolies fit into all of this (will they go to class before XJT guys). i guess this has not been decided (or disclosed) yet. good luck to all involved....

 

[Bluto]

Interview?

"...we will give preferential interviews to furloughed XJT pilots, however, it will be a real interview."

I think you'll find this will be unacceptable to most XJT pilots. The specifics of this deal have yet to be officially announced. I suspect that CAL/XJT, CALALPA, and SKW are still discussing it.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Re: Interview?

"...we will give preferential interviews to furloughed XJT pilots, however, it will be a real interview."

I think you'll find this will be unacceptable to most XJT pilots. The specifics of this deal have yet to be officially announced. I suspect that CAL/XJT, CALALPA, and SKW are still discussing it.

It may be unacceptable, but you'll probably have to accept it. Pilots who were furloughed from UA and DL had to interview at SKYW, just the same as everyone else. They weren't even given preferential interviews. All this while SKYW was taking over routes that used to be served by the respective mainline partners. And, for those who got hired, they all went to the bottom of the seniority list.

Now SKYW will be doing some flying for CO. And it looks like COEx pilots who are on furlough WILL be getting preferential interviews. That's better than what furloughed DL and UA pilots got. I believe that COEx pilots have something in their contract that gives them the power to veto this deal, but management will do what they want, especially with this administration now in office. UA and DL pilots, and probably others, had "no-furlough" clauses in their contracts, yet management has continued to do what they want.

I'll bet the details of this agreement will be out shortly. My guess is that it will benefit both pilots at SKYW and the furloughed pilots from COEx.

GP

 

[mckpickle]

Re: Interview?

"...we will give preferential interviews to furloughed XJT pilots, however, it will be a real interview."

I think you'll find this will be unacceptable to most XJT pilots. The specifics of this deal have yet to be officially announced. I suspect that CAL/XJT, CALALPA, and SKW are still discussing it.

I agree. This is not acceptable. An I hope my union will squash the deal rather than give in.

 

[Bjet Driver]

I spoke with an XJT union rep today. There has been no agreement yet. As far as the union is concerned....this is still an unresolved issue.

HOWEVER,

The general tone of the conversation scared the hell out of me. I wouldn't be surprised if Gordo kicked us in the nuts again. I wouldn't be surprised if all this flying goes to Skywest. AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED to hear the XJT union say it's out of their hands. All we can do is wait and see.

 

[mckpickle]

And I wouldn't be surprised if the performance numbers fell. All this stress leads to sickness and an unwillingness to fly with broken airplanes.

 

[Metro A-Team]

Hotwing,

Your last post seemed exceptionally agreeable considering that you're a "pool man" like myself and depending on how this deal works out will TOTALLY affect you, I and other SKYWEST swimmers.

Is it the fact that none of us on this site really have a vote in what happens...or do you really not care who is in the next new hire class????


Oh, ya,... I had to post something so me email lets me know what's up. No offence intended to anyone. See you in class Hotwing,

 

[MONKEY]

THAT IS WHY THEY NEED INTERVIEWS

Mckpickle they need the interviews to keep the guys out who only want to break airplanes and call in sick to cause the company grief. I can see why they would want to screen you out. Just my 2 cents. Maybe I shouldn't bother, because I don't have a dog in this fight, but pilots with that attitude just bug me.

 

[Bjet Driver]

MONKEY-

Read the post again. You misunderstood my man Pickle.

 

[FSB99]

talked to my rep today, too.. as stated above, it's not a done deal by any means. but, also as noted above, suddenly it's not sounding as promising as it did originally.
something to do with the mou up north that states 'small turboprops' being 19 seaters.
we'll see how it goes.

 

[Smoove Ride]

i have to agree with Guppypuppy. i think it's already a done deal, and XJT folks are going to have to live with it. interview at skywest, or stay on the street. if i were in their (XJT pilots) shoes, i'd feel the same way.... (pissed off, that is)

looking at it from a skywest perspective....
everyone here interviewed and got hired without preference. i think back to all the skywest folks who got hired at DAL, UAL, etc.. in summer of '01, quit skywest, promptly got sent home on the 11th. some had quit a few days before the 11th and were not allowed to come back. they interviewed, got hired, went to the bottom of the list.... just like everyone else. see a pattern? granted, it sucked for those folks, but there would have been heII to pay if they were allowed to come back. no pilot at skywest would have stood for it, and we're talking long time friends here.

history repeats itself, furloughed XJT will have to interview like everyone else did. hopefully all will benefit from these procedings which we as pilots have little or no control over...

 

[Bjet Driver]

Sky folks,

I'm not pissed off about having to interview. I will do that. I CONCERNED that all of this flying may go to Skywest. I'm only upset at my company and union. But, let's wait and see.................

 

[HHH]

MONKEY,

No offense...but you just don't get it.

 

[METARzan]

I’m sure the picture will become clearer as time goes on but I know that that Skywest will not sign off on a deal where they have no say on who flies for them.

Please don’t plan on a meet and greet interview. Skywest is very serious about it's hiring process and isn't going to hire any pilots that don't show that they really want to be here.

I was furloughed for 15 month and I know it isn’t fun. If you come prepared for a tough but fair interview, and a professional, upbeat attitude you will be flying before you know it. Skywest knows that there is a lot of gouge on their interview process out on the internet. They expect that you have done your research and come prepared.

I think Skywest is doing the right thing by offering preferential interviews to XJT guys but I also think that they have every right to interview and screen potential employees. Nobody wants to fly with someone that doesn't want to be here.

If you have a deep loyalty to XJT and want to have a career there or you don't see yourself being happy working for Skywest, please turn down the interview. You will only be wasting your time and those of the interview team.

If you were put on the street by economics and terrorist attacks, and you are willing and happy to work for a great airline, I’m sure that you will be happy working for Skywest.

I have a feeling that those that are offered jobs most will love working here. Some will go directly into the jet. Some with the time will be able to upgrade before the end of the year. Few if any would want to go back.

 

[Extender]

Don't think you're owed a job at SKW

METARzan

you've stated one of the best responses regarding this matter. Don't show up to a Skywest interview with the attitude that you deserve the job. We had a 7,000 hr pilot get the boot in my interview group who had just such an attitude. Prepare to work hard, but be rewarded. BTW, with Skywest, you will not be furloughed.

Skywest hires the best candidates to be their pilots. Those who think they are owed the job should not apply.

 

[mckpickle]

First you need to just relax with yo bad self. Nothing has been decided on and with people like you running your mouth like that our union CAN saush this whole deal. Yes they can.

We are not the ones to blame here it is CAL mainline managment. THEY decided that we would be all jet. THEY decided to sell us off. THEY are the ones who choose our routes and scedual our flights. THEY are the ones bringing you into IAH. Those flights BELONG to XJET. We have been doing them for years. Now CAL decides that we should not do them anymore and to farm them out to a CHEEPER airline. Kind of sounds like what you guys went through in DWF hu? Some might have forgoten the 12 aircraft that were at Comair before the strike and somehow have yet to return.

We will let our union work for us. We will let them get the best deal possible. But those jobs belong to us. You are being welcomed by managment to fly OUR routes. Your words of advise srike a nerve with the XJT pilots and the especialy the furloughed pilots who used to fly those routes. I suggest we all wait to see what the union says about the interview or else YOU will not be welcomed by the pilots.

 

[mckpickle]

Thank you for the phonics lesson. I will keep that in mind.

Ownership of a route.....well lets see. We used to be owned by the company, but now they have sold us off and are trying to find a chEAper way to do the flying. Do you think that the tickets will go down because your flying 120's instead of Jets. Heck no. We have pilots on the street and have turned down A/C deliveries. Plus we are still paying for A/C sitting in the desert.

So if this isn't a way for CAL to get the job done a chEAper way than what is it?

 

[GuppyPuppy]

First you need to just relax with yo bad self. Nothing has been decided on and with people like you running your mouth like that our union CAN saush this whole deal. Yes they can.

We are not the ones to blame here it is CAL mainline managment. THEY decided that we would be all jet. THEY decided to sell us off. THEY are the ones who choose our routes and scedual our flights. THEY are the ones bringing you into IAH. Those flights BELONG to XJET. We have been doing them for years. Now CAL decides that we should not do them anymore and to farm them out to a CHEEPER airline. Kind of sounds like what you guys went through in DWF hu? Some might have forgoten the 12 aircraft that were at Comair before the strike and somehow have yet to return.

We will let our union work for us. We will let them get the best deal possible. But those jobs belong to us. You are being welcomed by managment to fly OUR routes. Your words of advise srike a nerve with the XJT pilots and the especialy the furloughed pilots who used to fly those routes. I suggest we all wait to see what the union says about the interview or else YOU will not be welcomed by the pilots.

Could you tell me how your situation is any different than when COEx took over mainline CO routes? Or, how is it different from when SKYW took over mainline UA and DL routes? Should the pilots at UA and DL have demanded that the new jobs at SKYW and ACA BELONG to them?

Re-read my post on page two of this thread.

And mcpickle, do you think that it is even remotely possible that there is one pilot at COEx who was turned down at SKYW? If so, why should they be automatically hired at SKYW? Do you think that it is even remotely possible that there is one pilot who is furloughed from COEx that does not fit into the SKYW business model? And do you think that it is remotely possible that the style of person both SKYW and COEx look for could differ just a little bit?

If you answered yes to any of the above questions then you should be able to see why the COEx pilots would need to go through an interview process at SKYW.

We'll see what happens.

GP

 

[Mkay?]

Alright ... let's try and keep this somewhat civil gentlemen. I know that is a tough thing to ask for, but bear with me a sec.

First of all, as an employee of Skywest, I'd like to say that the "interview advice" clearly could have waited. Although the advice offered may have been intended to help, I think in this case it just added salt to an already painful wound.

Second, XJET guys, I know that some other operator flying these routes is a tough pill to swallow. But at some point we may have to realize that there are some things that are out of our control. As far as the ownership of routes goes ... well we beat this topic to death in another post already, but we need to face the fact that our industry is in flux and things will not remain unchanged.

Anyway, I hope that whatever happens we can all benefit from it.

Flame Away, MKAY!