NWA wants DOH

[tomgoodman]

Secret plan afoot?

Here's what I have gotten via chief pilots, check airmen and union reps I have flown with....

DOH... never.

top 100 or so (amount to staff a 747-400) will be at the top.

Bottom 300-400 (amount to staff Compass and the DC-9-30s which will be parked) will be stapled. The rest will be a relative)The DC-9-40s and 50s will stay at the combined airline. The 747-200s will be gone by late 2009 or until Delta can replace them with 777s. They are losing miney but are being flown to preserve landing slots at NRT.

The Dc-9-40s and 50s are staying to be brought to ATL to compete with Air Tran; we cannot compete head to head with them with any kind of RJ...

Latest rumors I got..

That sounds like a negotiated list is still in the works. If so, the biggest hurdle would be "selling" it to the membership -- and what better way to do that than by scaring them with outrageous opening positions? Then, just before the arbitrators act, the compromise magically appears!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, but not matter what is done, we do not really need to be sold anything.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

It sems like DALPA's opening was something relatively fair and equitable; NWALPA's opener was "all in" on DOH.

 

[higherflyer]

We'll see NLT 20 Nov.
Schwanker

I believe that date has been changed by mutual agreement of both groups to the 22nd.

Why argue about DOH and ratios/categories-- just alphabetise the list and go from there.

 

[General Lee]

Here's what I have gotten via chief pilots, check airmen and union reps I have flown with....

DOH... never.

top 100 or so (amount to staff a 747-400) will be at the top.

Bottom 300-400 (amount to staff Compass and the DC-9-30s which will be parked) will be stapled. The rest will be a relative)The DC-9-40s and 50s will stay at the combined airline. The 747-200s will be gone by late 2009 or until Delta can replace them with 777s. They are losing miney but are being flown to preserve landing slots at NRT.

The Dc-9-40s and 50s are staying to be brought to ATL to compete with Air Tran; we cannot compete head to head with them with any kind of RJ...

Latest rumors I got..

That seems fairly realistic. I can see the top 100 or so being NWA guys, and the bottom 400 being NWA due to possible planes going bye bye, then the rest relative seniority. We'll see I guess.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FmrFreightDog]

These nw dickheads have been infighting for 20+ years.

How very civilized.... Virginia Avenue must be so proud to have you.

 

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then maybe you will get DOH with a 20 year fence.

Mien Gott! Was that on the table? Make it a 30 year fence with no cross bidding and TAKE IT!

BTW ... NWA FAA Inspectors riding Delta jumpseats today. Meeting in ATL on DAL procedures. NWA AirCrew Standards, Inspectors, Managers will be ATL FSDO personnel on remote assignments to NWA bases. Same people who have been doing the NWA program, shifted to the DAL program. Very good crew IMHO from first impressions.

 

[~~~^~~~]

PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NAME CALLING ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE TOLERATED ON THIS THREAD.

TWA, you are a (just kidding).

 

[Scope out RJ's]

How very civilized.... Virginia Avenue must be so proud to have you.

Truth hurts eh?
Beisdes, this is coming from a guy with an avatar giving out the middle finger!
MSP training center must be blushing with pride!:blush:

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Truth hurts eh?
Beisdes, this is coming from a guy with an avatar giving out the middle finger!
MSP training center must be blushing with pride!:blush:

I can't imagine you'd ever have the depth of musical culture necessary to identify that picture, but then again I also doubt you have opposable thumbs....

I resort to an obscure album cover as my avatar, and you resort to baseless, classless name calling. To each his own, my friend of sub-par intellect and questionable parentage... to each his own....

 

[Superpilot92]

Here's what I have gotten via chief pilots, check airmen and union reps I have flown with....

DOH... never.

top 100 or so (amount to staff a 747-400) will be at the top.

Bottom 300-400 (amount to staff Compass and the DC-9-30s which will be parked) will be stapled. The rest will be a relative)The DC-9-40s and 50s will stay at the combined airline. The 747-200s will be gone by late 2009 or until Delta can replace them with 777s. They are losing miney but are being flown to preserve landing slots at NRT.

The Dc-9-40s and 50s are staying to be brought to ATL to compete with Air Tran; we cannot compete head to head with them with any kind of RJ...

Latest rumors I got..

What does Compass staffing have to do with anything? Also a fence on the DC9 gives the near term protection without the career effects of a staple job on the NWA pilots. We'll see

 

[General Lee]

What does Compass staffing have to do with anything? Also a fence on the DC9 gives the near term protection without the career effects of a staple job on the NWA pilots. We'll see

The ANC 742 operation is worth 350 pilots, and some DC9-30s are being parked. That could be where the 400 number came from.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[NuGuy]

The ANC 742 operation is worth 350 pilots, and some DC9-30s are being parked. That could be where the 400 number came from.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Heyas,

Now you really can't count on the 742s going away. Even if they are unprofitable, which I'm not even conceeding (oil at $77 today!, not no metion hugely lucrative MAC flying), they are there to secure a valuable corporate asset, namely the NRT and other Pacific routes are are tied up with a cargo only desination (cargo-only provides a slot multiplier). It's no different than MD-90s banging their head against the SWA wall in LA or SLC...losing money, but maintaining market share.

Even if an SLI includes some kind of fence, ANY aircraft that are placed on those routes, or routes made possible by transferring route authority, will be found (by arbitration, no doubt) to be "replacement aircraft", necessitating NWA crews (or slots that represent NWA crews). In any case, the net loss of NWA positions is zero.

As far as the DC-9-30 going away. Good luck selling that to the arbitrator. They were in the fleet plan as of the date of "constructive notification" back in March. Crew staffing is already at the required level for the 28 that are in storage (not retired). What DAL decides to do with the aircraft after the merger is irrelevant. Had the merger NOT occured, those positions would have been there, thus forming the basis of an "expectation".

Nu

 

[Cobra17]

Why argue about DOH and ratios/categories-- just alphabetise the list and go from there.

You know that's not fair Mr. Anderson.

 

[FDJ2]

How many cargo carriers are flying 747-200s these days? /quote]

Connie Kalitta is flying some super premium 747-200s.:laugh: