NWA wants DOH

[Schwanker]

It is a respond in kind to the arrogant remarks that included them.

If you look a few days in rears, I stated that what you see from the DAL proposal will be close to what is arbitrated. Not exact. I would not expect that.
See I would like it, but in the back of my mind I know that there is going to be some middle ground. We will give some. Just like your DOH argument. You in the back of your mind need to know that it is absolutely not possible. Try admitting it.

I do have realistic expectations. I'm not the one here claiming to be the almighty. It wouldn't be surprised if there is a combination of relative and DOH depending which end of the list we're looking at. I just find your position indefensible as your rep couldn't even defend it while on the stand.

Schwanker

 

[General Lee]

Jesus ACL65PILOT.....do you have a life man?

I think he is trying to challenge my 11,600 posts! I think he might do it, too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PuffDriver]

Yawn. Yawn....

Game. Set. Match....

etc. etc.

So quick to resort to your witticisms in place of any true intelligent thought....

You tire me, not to mention that I have no idea what, "I read it" refers to. I was not commenting on or responding to any article of any sort. I know it's a complicated discussion with many participants, but try to keep up, ok??

"I read it refers to your profane, thought-provoking little slam of me being arrogant. I explained that it is merely exasperation of the futility of constantly bombarding these guys, and apparently you, with ignored facts, logic, and common sense.

Yep you guessed it, game, set, match. Why don't YOU try and keep up. Next.

 

[PuffDriver]

I do have realistic expectations. I'm not the one here claiming to be the almighty. It wouldn't be surprised if there is a combination of relative and DOH depending which end of the list we're looking at. I just find your position indefensible as your rep couldn't even defend it while on the stand.

Schwanker

Hey Schwanker, you're being a wanker. We have put forth the facts, and all you can do is spew venom. Worse yet, your venom accuses US of spewing venom-which couldn't be further from the truth. I think that we are done here. Game, set, match. Your lawyer is handling the case in much the same manner as you handle this topic. Long story short, I like our chances.

 

[Schwanker]

Hey Schwanker, you're being a wanker. We have put forth the facts, and all you can do is spew venom. Worse yet, your venom accuses US of spewing venom-which couldn't be further from the truth. I think that we are done here. Game, set, match. Your lawyer is handling the case in much the same manner as you handle this topic. Long story short, I like our chances.

The facts--according to DALPA. Thanks. I certainly hope you don't have your hope up for what you've proposed as you'll be sorely disappointed. In all honesty, unlike some DAL folks on here, I wish no ill will on you or anyone else. Sorry if I don't accept your facts as my facts. We'll see NLT 20 Nov.
Schwanker

 

[Monster Buck]

You have to doubt if now days the cargo at the NWA scale could work. Cargo is great if you have the scale like UPS and FEDEX. Trickling in a few planes doesn't do it. A full scale world wide system from couriers to trucks to planes dedicated to the delivery performance, well thats different. Go ask some 10k people in Wilmington ,OH what happens when you don't have the large scale system here. You lose.

 

[PuffDriver]

The facts--according to DALPA. Thanks. I certainly hope you don't have your hope up for what you've proposed as you'll be sorely disappointed. In all honesty, unlike some DAL folks on here, I wish no ill will on you or anyone else. Sorry if I don't accept your facts as my facts. We'll see NLT 20 Nov.
Schwanker

Just the facts, period. Irrefutable. Read the transcripts. You can tell the way your lawyer tries to muddy the waters in a line of questioning. Once he gets and answer he doesn't like, or that perfectly clarifies the true facts, he quickly switches topics. It happens many times throughout the transcripts.

Nobody is wishing anybody ill will. That also doesn't mean that my guys are not going to fight tooth and nail. The only difference from your side, is that our side will not bring up the forbidden topics--which has already been done by NWA.

 

[Schwanker]

Just the facts, period. Irrefutable. Read the transcripts. You can tell the way your lawyer tries to muddy the waters in a line of questioning. Once he gets and answer he doesn't like, or that perfectly clarifies the true facts, he quickly switches topics. It happens many times throughout the transcripts.

Nobody is wishing anybody ill will. That also doesn't mean that my guys are not going to fight tooth and nail. The only difference from your side, is that our side will not bring up the forbidden topics--which has already been done by NWA.

So I take from this, you expect the arbitrators list to mirror DALPA's version of a fair list. I hope your hopes aren't up too high. The let down could lead to depression. I've read the transcripts and I don't think it's looking good for your team. Your guys couldn't even defend this DALPA proposed list. Again, we'll see how accurate you are next month. After that, it's spilled milk and we'll just have to press forward.

Schwanker

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Not just DALPA, but OUR company. DAL the soon to be parent of all of us.
Most of it written somewhere, some of it not. Do with it what you will.
Yes we will wait until NOV 20th.
You are correct, if the arbitrator totally disregards everything we stated, then maybe you will get DOH with a 20 year fence.
I truly do not see that. I think that the company has been clear on what their goals were. From what I hear, some sort of fence may be inevitable, but you never know.
It really is not your arguments that I tire from, it is your total disregard for the facts.
I admit that NWA has things that it brings to the table, there is no way that you would have acquired you if did not. When you look at our proposal and what we are arguing you must look at the facts.
Us DAL guys have presents that. I do not expect you to agree with us, because DOH offers a nice bump, but I do expect you to understand where it comes from and what FACTS were used to get to that list.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You cannot expect a list to work for either side for the life of each pilots career. It needs to keep every one status quo on DCC and in the near term until growth happens for the new entity. Not until you or I retire.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Just the facts, period. Irrefutable. Read the transcripts. You can tell the way your lawyer tries to muddy the waters in a line of questioning. Once he gets and answer he doesn't like, or that perfectly clarifies the true facts, he quickly switches topics. It happens many times throughout the transcripts.

Nobody is wishing anybody ill will. That also doesn't mean that my guys are not going to fight tooth and nail. The only difference from your side, is that our side will not bring up the forbidden topics--which has already been done by NWA.

Puff:
Why does that surprise you? These nw dickheads have been infighting for 20+ years. They can't even get along with each other. What makes anyone think they're going to play nicely with anyone ever.
Green book, red book, blue book. No wonder your union is in such disaray, you guys hate each other.
Keep up the great work in the transcripts though. You're digging yourselves an even bigger hole.

 

[hoover]

Wow, 15 pages and still going...

It seems to me that the problem with SLI is that even though the two companies have merged to form one company, you still have the employee groups thinking of things as two companies, thus the contentious nature of of the discussions.

The smartest thing to do would be to change the name of the company to something not even remotely resembling either Northwest or Delta, and to get rid of everything that reminds people that the company was once Delta, Northwest, Republic, Western, Hughes Airwest, North Central, National, Pan Am, and God only knows who else.

Get everyone on board with the idea that this is a NEW company, and that everyone is on equal footing, and maybe this merger could work.

It seems pretty simple to me. EVERYONE gets ordered by the day they were hired at their respective company(s), and everyone maintains their equipment, seat, and domicile. If you were 757 captain before based in New York before the merger, you're a 757 Captain based in New York after the merger. No one loses any pay or has to make any major life changes as a result of the integration.

Some will argue that this approach doesnt respect the "career expectations" of the NWA or DAL pilots. Perhaps it doesn't, but I would argue that anyone who has any expectation beyond being paid for the work they have already performed is foolish. There are no guarantees in life or in airline careers. Roll the dice and take your chances.

 

[TWA]

Warning

PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NAME CALLING ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE TOLERATED ON THIS THREAD. GROW UP.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

Here's what I have gotten via chief pilots, check airmen and union reps I have flown with....

DOH... never.

top 100 or so (amount to staff a 747-400) will be at the top.

Bottom 300-400 (amount to staff Compass and the DC-9-30s which will be parked) will be stapled. The rest will be a relative)The DC-9-40s and 50s will stay at the combined airline. The 747-200s will be gone by late 2009 or until Delta can replace them with 777s. They are losing miney but are being flown to preserve landing slots at NRT.

The Dc-9-40s and 50s are staying to be brought to ATL to compete with Air Tran; we cannot compete head to head with them with any kind of RJ...

Latest rumors I got..

 

[ultrarunner]

It seems pretty simple to me. EVERYONE gets ordered by the day they were hired at their respective company(s), and everyone maintains their equipment, seat, and domicile. If you were 757 captain before based in New York before the merger, you're a 757 Captain based in New York after the merger.

So, you're thinking after this merger that the combined will have every seat, every plane and every domicile available???

I'm not thinking that.

Planes will go bye-bye, seats will go bye-bye and domiciles will go bye bye.

No way will ANY cost-synergies be realized by keeping things as they are in a combined company. If that were the case, there would be no argument to merge/aquire.