NWA F/A's reject offer

[ExcelDriver]

I totally agree with you there.

 

[boxjockey]

Unions in this country are now weak. Union membership in this country used to be 1 in 5 workers. Now it is less than 1 in 10, and many of those are government employees. How do you know that worse conditions would be imposed on you? Has anyone had anything imposed on them yet? How about the Comair FAs? Didn't the courts side with them? I am not casting stones, and I am not passing judgement. It just seems to me that the majority of legacy pilots are taking a defeatist attitude to these "imposed pay cuts". Do you guys really think that if you didn't give your company back 200 mil/year in concessions that the company would close the doors and throw away the key? Delta is operating with how much debt and how much in assets? Do you really think they were going to shut down if they didn't get this last round of concessions? I have only a small dog in this fight, so I digress. But please, no more givebacks.

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[atlcrashpad]

It's also easy to vote no when you FA job is on the line. You can replace that income a lot easier than even reduced pilot wages. no dog on the FAs intended. it's just the way it is.

I disagree. Loosing your job is loosing your job. Sometimes you have to make a stand. The Flight Attendants made their stand. The Pilots caved. Then again remember that Duane Worthless is a NWA pilot.

 

[titans10]

I disagree. Loosing your job is loosing your job. Sometimes you have to make a stand. The Flight Attendants made their stand. The Pilots caved. Then again remember that Duane Worthless is a NWA pilot.

And who do you work for ? NOt NWA. Lets see if you walk off your job when the time comes. I think not.

 

[atlcrashpad]

And who do you work for ? NOt NWA. Lets see if you walk off your job when the time comes. I think not.

You do what you have to do in order to keep your dignity and job. But you won't be pushed around. The F/A's @NWA told MGT what to do with their proposal. Are you one of the NWA pilot's that caved? To answer your question, I am currently deployed with my Guard unit. My airline is in trouble too. I'll tell MGT what I think and won't hesitate to walk off the job if my MEC says so.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

You do what you have to do in order to keep your dignity and job. But you won't be pushed around. The F/A's @NWA told MGT what to do with their proposal. Are you one of the NWA pilot's that caved? To answer your question, I am currently deployed with my Guard unit. My airline is in trouble too. I'll tell MGT what I think and won't hesitate to walk off the job if my MEC says so.

If your MEC says so?

 

[xjhawk]

i was hearing that there are some FA's from other airlines who are willing to fly at NWA are being paid to be on standby to be ready to jump in in the event of a strike. Is there any truth to this rumor...?

 

[titans10]

You do what you have to do in order to keep your dignity and job. But you won't be pushed around. The F/A's @NWA told MGT what to do with their proposal. Are you one of the NWA pilot's that caved? To answer your question, I am currently deployed with my Guard unit. My airline is in trouble too. I'll tell MGT what I think and won't hesitate to walk off the job if my MEC says so.

NO I am not one of those pilots that caved. I am one of those furloughed and will not take a compass position. I have been furloughed since 12/01. I am just sick of all these other pilots attitudes that have nothing to do with NWA or Delta saying shut it down. If I had a vote I would have voted no but I did not.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Talk is cheap guys.. I found out that the guys who talked the most bullshut were the first to cave and visa versa. Every pilot has his own breaking point and minimum pay he'll stay for. We don't know what our Brother's and Sister's sitting next to us has to deal with at home ie LARGE mortgage, doctors bills, school tuition, many kids etc.. these are just a few of the items that might make a pilot vote yes for a contract.
I myself have a few rugrats running a muck, but at my airline I voted NO because I know my (our) skills are worth something to someone else!

 

[320AV8R]

NWA F/A's have COJONES and thePilot's don't. I hope the F/A's stick to their guns.

So two out of every three pilots, the 65% that approved the TA, were lacking cojones?

The entire pilot group was presented with the information, & the MEC took a neutral position..... allowing the membership to form its own opinion. That membership selected to ratify the TA by a two-thirds margin.

Maybe....just maybe, it was the information presented, the available options, the agreements already in the TA, the competitive environment, the skyrocketing price of jet fuel, the Judge's past comments & a few other items that cause the majority to make a rational, informed & logic-based decision....rather than one on emotion.

Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand.

320AV8R

PS I wish the F/As the best of luck.....they're gonna need it.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

So two out of every three pilots, the 65% that approved the TA, were lacking cojones?

The entire pilot group was presented with the information, & the MEC took a neutral position..... allowing the membership to form its own opinion. That membership selected to ratify the TA by a two-thirds margin.

Maybe....just maybe, it was the information presented, the available options, the agreements already in the TA, the competitive environment, the skyrocketing price of jet fuel, the Judge's past comments & a few other items that cause the majority to make a rational, informed & logic-based decision....rather than one on emotion.

Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand.

320AV8R

PS I wish the F/As the best of luck.....they're gonna need it.

Ahhh! 320 has finally run out of pilot-side excuses. What is ALPA waiting for/interpreting now? Who would have thunk it? A flight attendant group ready to strike at the jugular and bring a legacy to it's knees. I find it ironic that the NW flight attendants are the ones that finally show the company how big their balls are and are willing to stick it in and break it off. I hope they manage to stop the madness or terminate that turd!

 

[Workin'Stiff]

I highly doubt thats going to happen... NW will gain a court injuction prohibiting a strike... Then watch the foreign FA start pouring into the country as the current FA contract is abrogated...

 

[doublepsych]

... Then watch the foreign FA start pouring into the country as the current FA contract is abrogated...

I'll watch as long as they're hot!!!

 

[320AV8R]

Ahhh! 320 has finally run out of pilot-side excuses. What is ALPA waiting for/interpreting now? Who would have thunk it? A flight attendant group ready to strike at the jugular and bring a legacy to it's knees. I find it ironic that the NW flight attendants are the ones that finally show the company how big their balls are and are willing to stick it in and break it off. I hope they manage to stop the madness or terminate that turd!

What excuses?

We were presented with a situation & made a decision....just like the UAL guys & just like the USAir guys.

Why do you care anyway, since it doesn't affect you.....you don't work here.

The FAs were presented with their "situation" & reacted accordingly. Time will tell how things will work out for them.

320AV8R

 

[FlyUnited]

Certainly entertaining to watch NWA pick off each group, one by one. Who is going to stand up for the pilots when the only thing left on the property are scabs? (but go ahead, enjoy watching the cute foreigner scabs. Hope it's enough to keep you warm once you run out of money to pay the electric bill)

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The flight attendants had a far worse deal than that of the pilots. Also since the flight attendants can easily find another job that pays comparable wages they can take bigger risks.

 

[Mav204]

I just hope that NWA doesn't become a SCAB airline, they have already have the mx SCABS, and next is the FA's, hopefully thet can come to come agreement

 

[eaglefly]

Hopefully, if a court forces the F/A's to involuntary servitude and they work for peanuts WHILE simultaneously watching themselves being replaced, they'll begin resigning enmasse. Look for the pilots to turn their backs on the F/A's and agree to immeadiate imposition of their joke of a contract.

It would be nice if congress could turn their backs on the pilots (at least they'd know how it felt) and DENY pension legislation. The taxpayers WILL turn their backs ON ANY politician who wants to take money out of their paychecks to fund this and other groups that were screwed by their irresponsible and/or crooked management.

If all this pathetic airline will have is foreigners who work for change as F/A's and SCAB mechanics, why save it ?

For 5000 pilots or so ?

For gate agents ?

Neither group has demonstrated they are worth it and there are no respectable employee groups left.

I say if the F/A's don't get a decent work environment, then they should resign enmasse (and quickly) so they can sink this turd.

I ask the F/A's to retain respect or get the better jobs out there that DO exist.

The key is to do it together and quickly.

 

[ExAF]

Either Way It'll Be Ugly

The flight attendants had a far worse deal than that of the pilots. Also since the flight attendants can easily find another job that pays comparable wages they can take bigger risks.

I hate to say this, but they can easily be replaced as well. I'm not so sure that is what the NWAEM really wants in the first place. They made short work of the mechanics and I submit the FAs would be easier to replace than the mechanics. Between cross training, foreign replacements (what mgt wanted to do at the beginning) and new hire training that only takes a couple of weeks, they might be able to pull it off, or at least I bet that's what they are thinking. I have numerous FA friends and I wish them all the best.

 

[canyonblue]

I hate to say this, but they can easily be replaced as well.

But replaced by what? Anyone who would subject themselves to the starting pay and benefits that NWA would be giving any new hire, would be just the type of person to quit in a couple of weeks, when it is time to pick the crops again. The only thing NWA is playing on, is the hope that the ones who make the upper wages will be frightened into staying. If they all left, en masse, NWA would be gone in a couple of weeks, and NWA knows it. 80%!! Great job F/A's.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Not to mention the hiring and training costs for new f/as -- money that nwa would probably not like to spend.

 

[DTW320]

Hopefully, if a court forces the F/A's to involuntary servitude and they work for peanuts WHILE simultaneously watching themselves being replaced, they'll begin resigning enmasse. Look for the pilots to turn their backs on the F/A's and agree to immeadiate imposition of their joke of a contract.

It would be nice if congress could turn their backs on the pilots (at least they'd know how it felt) and DENY pension legislation. The taxpayers WILL turn their backs ON ANY politician who wants to take money out of their paychecks to fund this and other groups that were screwed by their irresponsible and/or crooked management.

If all this pathetic airline will have is foreigners who work for change as F/A's and SCAB mechanics, why save it ?

For 5000 pilots or so ?

For gate agents ?

Neither group has demonstrated they are worth it and there are no respectable employee groups left.

I say if the F/A's don't get a decent work environment, then they should resign enmasse (and quickly) so they can sink this turd.

I ask the F/A's to retain respect or get the better jobs out there that DO exist.

The key is to do it together and quickly.

You're a complete idiot who has not a SINGLE CLUE about the topic of which you comment on. Please elaborate on how it is up to the government to decide whether or not to save NWA. Please elaborate on the history of AMFA at NWA and the actions, or lack thereof, leading up to the strike. (hint: ask the overwhelming majority of current Mech's who are former NWA AMFA Mechs who feel that they were screwed by AMFA). Aside from the use of Federal BK laws I wasn't aware that we were asking to be saved by the government. The same BK laws that saved CO and US twice. Haven't demonstrated we are worth it? Our TA is bad and I voted no. Having said that, please provide a line by line comparison of our TA to your current ATR/RJ contract or the current UAL contract. Work Rules anyone?

Go back to defending the profession, one cramped,miserable, unprofitable if-not-for-the legacy-fee-for-departure RJ flight at a time.

 

[Acefaser]

The FA's don't have the balls to take it as far as the MX did.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The FA's don't have the balls to take it as far as the MX did.

The F/A's voted to strike, so it's up to the union to decide. This is exactly what happened to the MX. We knew we had the resources to replace the MX so we pushed AFMA over the edge. The mechanics themselves never had the chance to vote on the contract that put them on the street. Believe me a bvast majority of mechanics are now back on the job working for NWA. In fact if you are a former NWA mechanic you have almost a 100% chance of being rehired. Once the company is in a position to remove the F/A's it doesn't matter how much concessions they are willing to take.

 

[Mav204]

how can NWA/judge make a strike from the FA's illegal?

 

[sniper]

The F/A's voted to strike, so it's up to the union to decide. This is exactly what happened to the MX. We knew we had the resources to replace the MX so we pushed AFMA over the edge. The mechanics themselves never had the chance to vote on the contract that put them on the street. Believe me a bvast majority of mechanics are now back on the job working for NWA. In fact if you are a former NWA mechanic you have almost a 100% chance of being rehired. Once the company is in a position to remove the F/A's it doesn't matter how much concessions they are willing to take.

SCAB NWA Manager

 

[320AV8R]

You're a complete idiot who has not a SINGLE CLUE about the topic of which you comment on. Please elaborate on how it is up to the government to decide whether or not to save NWA. Please elaborate on the history of AMFA at NWA and the actions, or lack thereof, leading up to the strike. (hint: ask the overwhelming majority of current Mech's who are former NWA AMFA Mechs who feel that they were screwed by AMFA). Aside from the use of Federal BK laws I wasn't aware that we were asking to be saved by the government. The same BK laws that saved CO and US twice. Haven't demonstrated we are worth it? Our TA is bad and I voted no. Having said that, please provide a line by line comparison of our TA to your current ATR/RJ contract or the current UAL contract. Work Rules anyone?

Go back to defending the profession, one cramped,miserable, unprofitable if-not-for-the legacy-fee-for-departure RJ flight at a time.

EXACTLY.

320AV8R

 

[ultrarunner]

i was hearing that there are some FA's from other airlines who are willing to fly at NWA are being paid to be on standby to be ready to jump in in the event of a strike. Is there any truth to this rumor...?

Uhhhh....without company training???? I don't THINK so!

 

[ultrarunner]

Oh, and one more thing that has gone unanswered....

someone please site the example(s) of the last time employee concessions:

1. saved an airline from DECLARING BK

and

2. saved an airline from liquidation

thank you

 

[Workin'Stiff]

how can NWA/judge make a strike from the FA's illegal?

I'm by no means an attorney. But from my understanding the court can order an injunction barring a strike... If the union still struck, that'd be in violation of the court order... AKA.. Illegal...