PuffDriver
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Couldn't agree more! There is no point in fighting one another on here we are very close to being on the same team. I cant wait till its over so we can ALL move forward.
Thirded.
Couldn't agree more! There is no point in fighting one another on here we are very close to being on the same team. I cant wait till its over so we can ALL move forward.
Is there ANY way I could convince all of you soon-to-be-joined-at-the-hip-for-the-rest-of-your-careers numbskulls to quit sniping at each other?
Give it a rest.
Support your MEC.
Focus on the benefits...not the piques.
The industry is at the precipice. Everything I'm hearing indicates there will be money thrown at both pilot groups to put this together, if we can do it without having a meltdown.
If you're not up for it, fine. You can be one of that 5% of each group that cause us to shake our heads in dismay, until somebody throws a telethon to raise money for their forced sterilization.
[/QUOTE]As far pay raises go -- that's great. But what protections are some of us junior guys going to get against a 100% pay cut?
As far pay raises go -- that's great. But what protections are some of us junior guys going to get against a 100% pay cut?
Couldn't agree more. Trying to take the high road but it's hard to resist responding to someone who manages to spin the fact that DL 767 rates are the same as DL 757 rates without acknowledging the other way of looking at it --- that the 757 pays the same as the 767, which pay the same as the A330!
As far pay raises go -- that's great. But what protections are some of us junior guys going to get against a 100% pay cut?
None unfortunately. No-furlough clauses aren't worth the paper they are printed on. 9-11 proved that.
They can always use a force mejeur clause, but they have to prove it. Delta did furlough a large number after 9-11, but a chunk of those were returned fairly quickly because the arbitrator found that Delta did it improperly. Currently, pilots at Delta above TBKANE have no furlough protection that states regardless of the economy or fuel prices, no furloughs. I guess the company could try, but an arbitrator would likely look into that too and see what the exact reasons were. Hopefully our new contract will have something similar.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Unfortunately General the no-furlough clause is really not worth the paper is written on. The reason is, it doesn’t cost the company money, let me explain. If tomorrow they furlough 1000 pilots, they have no further responsibility to these folks, I understand re-training and so on. However, how about instead of a no furlough clause, a clause stating that furloughed pilots will keep receiving medical benefits as any active pilot, and he/she will keep receiving B fund/401k contributions based on 70 hours from the equipment they were flying up to the furlough. Then and only then they would think about furloughing pilots.