Nov 1st NJA? whats up???

[av8trinabarrel]

Maybe they want the expensive pilots out...

Nice to see Jordo is sticking to the playbook. Seems to be working nicely with many PIC's and virtually all FO's looking elsewhere for employment. Spoke with a pic buddy this week and he said NJ was getting 100-150 fatigue calls a week. I about fell over when I heard that. He was adamant that it was an accurate number. WOW.....

 

[brokeflyer]

Maybe they want the expensive pilots out...

that dont make sense...they're getting all of them almost free. even the top guy on the 18 day has a pathetic salary.

 

[billybob]

After the contract your right

Remember the good old days when we only paid these dirtbags 1/2 of what we do today.

 

[jetlag7]

After the contract your right

Remember the good old days when we only paid these dirtbags 1/2 of what we do today.

Current wages have been rolled-back to less than the 1998 payscales due to inflation.....

In other words, they are already paying us less than "the good old days.."

 

[gret]

If you were making $80K in 1998...you should be making $115K to remain even with inflation. This does not include any changes in benefits.

Just for drill, you can do your own calculations here-

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

 

[jetlag7]

If you were making $80K in 1998...you should be making $115K to remain even with inflation. This does not include any changes in benefits.

Just for drill, you can do your own calculations here-

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

14 Year Captain in 1998 was making $95,784. Using the link you provided, that gives us an inflation-adjusted wage of $137,593.42

Today, a 14 Year Captain earns $136,846.

 

[Xcorporate]

I'm a 6 year FO and I made $0.00. Adjusted for inflation I owe NJA $6.50

This furlough should be front and center in all communication from the union. NOT bylaws bs and self serving rants of E board wanna be lawyers.

 

[gret]

14 Year Captain in 1998 was making $95,784. Using the link you provided, that gives us an inflation-adjusted wage of $137,593.42

Today, a 14 Year Captain earns $136,846.

I think most would be surprised how little inflation has impacted things. However, it still seems prices have gone up many essentials which squeezes everyone. Also, the Feds and states are picking our pockets with increased taxes and fees for everything from cellphones/telephones to gasoline to electricity to cable service, to liquor, to tobacco.

 

[brokeflyer]

14 Year Captain in 1998 was making $95,784. Using the link you provided, that gives us an inflation-adjusted wage of $137,593.42

Today, a 14 Year Captain earns $136,846.

if it says ".gov" in the web address.....

its never gonna tell you things are bad....

use a real calculator and you'll see that $95k isnt worth poop.

 

[brokeflyer]

nja management is getting their pilots for so cheap its actually quite funny....unless you're a nja pilot.

its impossible for them to give concessions.....zero minus anything is a negative number.

meaning, the pilots dont have anything to give back...

meanwhile, 35 people in managment are paying less than 4% tax on their 2 million dollar bonus they just got....gotta hide the profit somewhere. you cant just burn the cash in the backyard.

 

[gret]

4%?...sounds like a great tax strategy...can you explain how they do it?

 

[jetlag7]

I think most would be surprised how little inflation has impacted things......

Your kidding right? I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in the United States where I'm from inflationary cost of living increases have significantly eroded purchasing power.

At my place of employment, the fact I now earn LESS than I did back in 1998 and am now as much as 60% behind my peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications exacerbates the problem.

 

[jetlag7]

if it says ".gov" in the web address.....

its never gonna tell you things are bad....

use a real calculator and you'll see that $95k isnt worth poop.

That was the point I was trying to illustrate.

We are earning LESS than we were 15 years ago.....

Which happens to be as much as 60% behind our peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications performing significantly less work for less profitable companies...

 

[jonjuan]

that dont make sense...they're getting all of them almost free. even the top guy on the 18 day has a pathetic salary.

Then why do they continue to work there?

 

[gret]

Your kidding right? I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in the United States where I'm from inflationary cost of living increases have significantly eroded purchasing power.

At my place of employment, the fact I now earn LESS than I did back in 1998 and am now as much as 60% behind my peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications exacerbates the problem.

I think you took the comment a bit out of context because in the next sentence I said..."However, it still seems prices have gone up many essentials which squeezes everyone."

I could have articulated better, the point was that inflation hasn't been at the elevated levels of the 70's & 80's and the impact on wages hasn't been as great. As an example, if you were making $80K in 1975, you would have had to make $195K in 1990, or $115K more during the 15 year period. The difference during the 15 years 1998 to 2013, was only $35K.

 

[jonjuan]

That was the point I was trying to illustrate.

We are earning LESS than we were 15 years ago.....

Which happens to be as much as 60% behind our peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications performing significantly less work for less profitable companies...

You would think the attrition would be at least 50%/year for the past several years. How many have actually left to get the immediate 120% pay raise and reduction in work? That's the only thing the emt will care about.

 

[gret]

That was the point I was trying to illustrate.

We are earning LESS than we were 15 years ago.....

Which happens to be as much as 60% behind our peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications performing significantly less work for less profitable companies...

Would be interested in seeing the result by using a "real calculator".

If you're 60% behind your peers with similar backgrounds working at inferior companies, something else is wrong. You really should get a different position.

For those interested, here are the inflation rates going back to 1872...comparable inflation rates have been relatively docile for the past 15 years as the chart shows-

http://www.multpl.com/inflation/table

 

[DC-4]

So what happened to the announcement. Or is there a new date.

 

[Xcorporate]

I think the news was that NJA was providing FSI instructors 135 initials so they would be in compliance with the FAA req. As rumors go, somebody mentioned NJA ramping up for classes and it was assumed to be for recalls........guess again.

 

[nordo_2]

If you're languishing in some charter 135/and or some other aviation related, or non related position and can't stand it. Then I guess coming back makes sense. Age, I guess would be another factor. Say, being under or over 40. Ex military with a retirement.

Pay and benefits may be better than what you have now. You will come back to a terminal SIC position. If that's better, then I guess it is. If you are even contemplating making a play for the major airlines, and you are at a 121. You should bypass and stay put. NJ pilots are not the cream of crop for the majors, not that there hasn't been some success stories. Chances are better from a 121 to a major, especially if you can upgrade.

You will never upgrade at NJ in time to make yourself more marketable for this next hiring wave. And it wont be NJ pilots who get picked up by the majors in any significant numbers. There will be a few, but not many in comparison to 121 operators. So, add that to the non-movement of the NJ seniority list.