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gret said:
I think most would be surprised how little inflation has impacted things......
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Your kidding right? I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in the United States where I'm from inflationary cost of living increases have significantly eroded purchasing power.

At my place of employment, the fact I now earn LESS than I did back in 1998 and am now as much as 60% behind my peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications exacerbates the problem.
 
brokeflyer said:
if it says ".gov" in the web address.....

its never gonna tell you things are bad....

use a real calculator and you'll see that $95k isnt worth poop.
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That was the point I was trying to illustrate.

We are earning LESS than we were 15 years ago.....

Which happens to be as much as 60% behind our peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications performing significantly less work for less profitable companies...
 
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jetlag7 said:
Your kidding right? I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in the United States where I'm from inflationary cost of living increases have significantly eroded purchasing power.

At my place of employment, the fact I now earn LESS than I did back in 1998 and am now as much as 60% behind my peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications exacerbates the problem.
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I think you took the comment a bit out of context because in the next sentence I said..."However, it still seems prices have gone up many essentials which squeezes everyone."

I could have articulated better, the point was that inflation hasn't been at the elevated levels of the 70's & 80's and the impact on wages hasn't been as great. As an example, if you were making $80K in 1975, you would have had to make $195K in 1990, or $115K more during the 15 year period. The difference during the 15 years 1998 to 2013, was only $35K.
 
jetlag7 said:
That was the point I was trying to illustrate.

We are earning LESS than we were 15 years ago.....

Which happens to be as much as 60% behind our peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications performing significantly less work for less profitable companies...
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You would think the attrition would be at least 50%/year for the past several years. How many have actually left to get the immediate 120% pay raise and reduction in work? That's the only thing the emt will care about.
 
jetlag7 said:
That was the point I was trying to illustrate.

We are earning LESS than we were 15 years ago.....

Which happens to be as much as 60% behind our peers with similar training, experience, and qualifications performing significantly less work for less profitable companies...
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Would be interested in seeing the result by using a "real calculator".

If you're 60% behind your peers with similar backgrounds working at inferior companies, something else is wrong. You really should get a different position.

For those interested, here are the inflation rates going back to 1872...comparable inflation rates have been relatively docile for the past 15 years as the chart shows-

http://www.multpl.com/inflation/table
 
I think the news was that NJA was providing FSI instructors 135 initials so they would be in compliance with the FAA req. As rumors go, somebody mentioned NJA ramping up for classes and it was assumed to be for recalls........guess again.
 
If you're languishing in some charter 135/and or some other aviation related, or non related position and can't stand it. Then I guess coming back makes sense. Age, I guess would be another factor. Say, being under or over 40. Ex military with a retirement.

Pay and benefits may be better than what you have now. You will come back to a terminal SIC position. If that's better, then I guess it is. If you are even contemplating making a play for the major airlines, and you are at a 121. You should bypass and stay put. NJ pilots are not the cream of crop for the majors, not that there hasn't been some success stories. Chances are better from a 121 to a major, especially if you can upgrade.

You will never upgrade at NJ in time to make yourself more marketable for this next hiring wave. And it wont be NJ pilots who get picked up by the majors in any significant numbers. There will be a few, but not many in comparison to 121 operators. So, add that to the non-movement of the NJ seniority list.
 
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Nordo,

I do not claim to have any better of a crystal ball than you do, but in the last hiring cycle where the airlines were hiring in significant numbers the Netjet's pilots were being snapped up by the majors faster than we could train new pilots.

Not sure why you think it would be any different these days.

Hey, you may be right. But just curious as to what's so different this time that you believe a Netjet's pilot being hired bythe majors will be the exception rather than the rule?
 
nordo_2 said:
If you're languishing in some charter 135/and or some other aviation related, or non related position and can't stand it. Then I guess coming back makes sense. Age, I guess would be another factor. Say, being under or over 40.
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That's me. I left a good 135 job for a better job at Netjets in '08 at the age of 48. Furloughed at 49, found an "aviation related" job that only pays about .75 of what NJ was. I'm still there, and my wife and I will continue to struggle unless I can find an airline job (not likely at my age, but I have all my apps in and hope that I hit the lotto), another 135 gig (remotely possible, but not a lot happening in Michigan), or Netjets recalls me (probably my best hope, but I'm not holding my breath).

I know it won't be the same as what I left, but if the $$ and benefits are better than what I have now, I really don't have a choice but to take it and try and get some cushion built up going into retirement. I know upgrade is never going to happen.. been PIC, done that, don't care if I do it again... but that is the least of my concerns.

I appreciate everything the pilots who are still there are doing to keep it a good place to work. Even with all of it's issues, for many of us, it still would be a better place to be.
 
realityman said:
Nordo,

I do not claim to have any better of a crystal ball than you do, but in the last hiring cycle where the airlines were hiring in significant numbers the Netjet's pilots were being snapped up by the majors faster than we could train new pilots.

Not sure why you think it would be any different these days.

Hey, you may be right. But just curious as to what's so different this time that you believe a Netjet's pilot being hired bythe majors will be the exception rather than the rule?
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Hopefully it gets that good. I'd rather be a pic121, than a sic135. To start I think you'll see the cream off the top; 121 check airman, military, pic 121 large transport, pic 121. Then hopefully down the latter it goes. The front of the wave wont be stocked with NJ pilots. This assumes you want to go to a major.
 
Well, I dont know that it'll be like the last time. Probably not. But I also cant say we wont lose a great many pilots either.

NJA has a great many pilots with 121 PIC, or 121 check airman experience, as well as a ton of ex-military guys with PIC time in heavy equipment, many of whom are in the age range to make them attractive to the majors.

The only thing for certain is that it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
realityman said:
Well, I dont know that it'll be like the last time. Probably not. But I also cant say we wont lose a great many pilots either.

NJA has a great many pilots with 121 PIC, or 121 check airman experience, as well as a ton of ex-military guys with PIC time in heavy equipment, many of whom are in the age range to make them attractive to the majors.

The only thing for certain is that it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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And I know a lot of sic's who fell for the santulli dream and left their 121 world before they acquired any significant pic time.
 
The only issue could be is if the regionals start to falter from staffing shortages. If that happens the majors may turn to Flex/options/NJA for pilots to minimize disruption to the mainline. Time will tell.
 
There is a whole world of heavy cargo, ex pat, military, regional, corporate, charter, fractional and everything in between, vying for a job at a Legacy....

Each group will experience attrition. My guess is regionals and the heavy freight/ overseas ex pat guys will see the most hiring initially. Followed by military and then the pt91/135/91k...

IMO Netjets will see some good attrition, maybe enough to facilitate an earlier than expected recall. The EMT has stated many times that their expected recall start timeline is 2017... I'm sure they were at least smart enough to factor in increased attrition into their plans, to go along with their disposal schedule.. ( which is what I think is the hinderence to recalls currently. The EMT knows the disposal schedule and has an idea of how many a/c they will have in future months/years.)
 
Maybe old news but just heard from a good buddy last night who works in training and he told me all displacements are on hold till March or April next year. I asked why and he did not know other than speculation and I am sure we can speculate as to why as well. Anyways I just thought that was interesting, no idea what it means though.
 
sounds right.

looks like they are bringing over some airplanes from NJE to fill in to help out as well.

look for some new tail #s or some NJE tails soon
 
there's ways around it. Ill be suprised if it takes them longer than 5 days to change tail numbers. What about adding planes to a fleet already in disposal?
 
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