Not Paying Union Dues

[HelloNewman]

You don't have a contract.
You have something written on a roll of toilet paper.
What are you going to do now that you're no longer getting paid cancellation pay?
Grieve it?

I haven't had the problem others are speaking of yet. That bridge I will cross when I come to it. Let's see what the results of the PIC are first. BTW Mesa has a grievance about not getting paid propery, FILED IN 2003!!! How are all that have already left going to get paid? Either way it is an uphill battle union or not.

 

[paulsalem]

You don't have a contract.
You have something written on a roll of toilet paper.
What are you going to do now that you're no longer getting paid cancellation pay?
Grieve it?

Do what you'd do in any other business. Tell your employer about the issue. If it is not resolved, quit.

 

[Downwind]

Are you guys all morons or are you just spewing the union mantra that you were tought in indoc?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Are you guys all morons or are you just spewing the union mantra that you were tought in indoc?

union mantra isn't tought in indoc. Unions have about 30mins to introduce the organization.

No, union mantra starts when a niave or innocent pilot gets bent over some technicality while one of managements clowns whips 'em upside the head with thier unique yet unethical lack of morals....

 

[ASADriver]

union mantra isn't tought in indoc. Unions have about 30mins to introduce the organization.

No, union mantra starts when a niave or innocent pilot gets bent over some technicality while one of managements clowns whips 'em upside the head with thier unique yet unethical lack of morals....

So all management people have "unethical lack of morals", and all union people are ethical and full of morals? Please! You aren't selling things to those of us who like to think for ourselves. Both sides have ethical problems and I have trouble finding morals on either side.....

 

[paulsalem]

So all management people have "unethical lack of morals", and all union people are ethical and full of morals? Please! You aren't selling things to those of us who like to think for ourselves. Both sides have ethical problems and I have trouble finding morals on either side.....

You hit the nail right on the head. Flight crews violate the contract just as much as the company does.

When was the last time you checked in or out before or after a trip?

Ever call in sick when you're not really ill?

It’s easy to be ethical when the other party is being so also. But that's not what ethics are about, now are they?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So all management people have "unethical lack of morals", and all union people are ethical and full of morals? Please! You aren't selling things to those of us who like to think for ourselves. Both sides have ethical problems and I have trouble finding morals on either side.....

I don't think I said all. In fact I said 'a'. Stick to the arguement... not spin...

 

[bustinmins]

Do not be a weasel! Pay your dues, speak your mind, vote your conscience.

Don't let the other pilots suffer to get bennies and then you reap the harvest of their hard labor while you sat eating bon-bons.

 

[ASADriver]

I don't think I said all. In fact I said 'a'. Stick to the arguement... not spin...

Talk about spin! You implied that it is management that lacks morals while ALPA is as pure as the wind driven snow. That is ALPA spin! I know plenty on BOTH sides that are void of any ethics. ALPA isn't exactly the poster child for "ethics and morals". Maybe you ALPA kool aid drinkers should stick to the arguement, instead of the Herndon spin you prefer.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Talk about spin! You implied that it is management that lacks morals while ALPA is as pure as the wind driven snow. That is ALPA spin! I know plenty on BOTH sides that are void of any ethics. ALPA isn't exactly the poster child for "ethics and morals". Maybe you ALPA kool aid drinkers should stick to the arguement, instead of the Herndon spin you prefer.

I implied or you read what you wanted.....

Sure ALPA has it faults... no doubt... any organization with people is going to have faults... what is your point?


Oh... if management operated above board on a consistantly avg basis unions would not exist....

Let's not forget...

One of the dark truths at the heart of free-market capitalism: the unblinking willingness of those in power to crush--physically and spiritually--those who work.

 

[ASADriver]

I implied or you read what you wanted.....

Sure ALPA has it faults... no doubt... any organization with people is going to have faults... what is your point?


Oh... if management operated above board on a consistantly avg basis unions would not exist....

Let's not forget...

One of the dark truths at the heart of free-market capitalism: the unblinking willingness of those in power to crush--physically and spiritually--those who work.

Let's not forget ....


Top 10 International ALPA Leaders & Staff (by Salary)
NameTitle Total CompensationDuane Woerth President $ 487,930Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 393,770Bruce York Dir Representation $ 384,572Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel&dir, Legal $ 369,949Don Skiados Director, Communications $ 311,387Kevin Barnhurst Director, Finance $ 311,158Paul Hallisay Director, Gov't Affairs $ 302,138William Roberts Asst Dir Representation $ 299,335Jim Johnson Managing Attorney, Legal $ 296,841Stephen Crable Asst Dir Representation $ 283,514[show all officers & salaries]

Source: Department of Labor, Office of Labor Management Standards LM filings
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[Rez O. Lewshun]

Let's not forget ....


Top 10 International ALPA Leaders & Staff (by Salary)
NameTitle Total CompensationDuane Woerth President $ 487,930Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 393,770Bruce York Dir Representation $ 384,572Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel&dir, Legal $ 369,949Don Skiados Director, Communications $ 311,387Kevin Barnhurst Director, Finance $ 311,158Paul Hallisay Director, Gov't Affairs $ 302,138William Roberts Asst Dir Representation $ 299,335Jim Johnson Managing Attorney, Legal $ 296,841Stephen Crable Asst Dir Representation $ 283,514[show all officers & salaries]

Source: Department of Labor, Office of Labor Management Standards LM filings
UnionFacts.com is committed to 100% accuracy. Please contact us with factual corrections & comments.

Before we "let's not forget" how about we gets educated... fair deal?

Can you explain 'expenses reported as income'?

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Duane Woerth

President
Air Line Pilots​

2005 Salary Breakdown​

$ 10,536 Administrative (3%)
$ 0 Contributions (0%)
$ 340,650 General Overhead (97%)
$ 0 Political (0%)
$ 0 Representational (0%)
$ 351,186 Total Earnings​

Historical Salary Information
Year Salary % Raise Title
2005 $ 351,186 -15.4% PRESIDENT
2004 $ 415,026 -2.0% PRESIDENT
2002 $ 423,705 -3.5% PRESIDENT
2001 $ 439,296 40.2% PRESIDENT
2000 $ 313,392 — PRESIDENT​

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http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1021148​

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Meanwhile there are forces at work trying to destroy our career... what's more important? This or your career?

 

[DoinTime]

Talk about spin! You implied that it is management that lacks morals while ALPA is as pure as the wind driven snow. That is ALPA spin! I know plenty on BOTH sides that are void of any ethics. ALPA isn't exactly the poster child for "ethics and morals". Maybe you ALPA kool aid drinkers should stick to the arguement, instead of the Herndon spin you prefer.

If your looking for morals and ethics anywhere in this world you are in for a long exhausting search. ALPA is a considerably cleaner, wholesome operation than say the Teamsters and most other Unions but that does not exempt them from some dirty underhanded sh*t.

The reason you should should favor ALPA vs. your local management team should be obvious though. ALPA wants you to make as much money as possible. Management wants you make as little money as possible.

 

[DoinTime]

Can you explain 'expenses reported as income'?

All reimbursed job related expenses get reported as income. Some are taxable, some are not. The bulk of ALPA's presidential expenses are for a home that needs to be maintained in Washington D.C. as a requirement for the job.

 

[country]

First off I posted this on the union board and recvd one legitmate resonse and a question from Rez O Lewshun that I did not understand. "You seem to have an expectation.... is it valid?"

So maybe Rez O lewshun could shed some light on the question below. My thought is why would this guy want ot pay union dues for the type results they provide? Does not seem like a good value for the dollar to me.


Original post on the union board:
First off I want to make it clear that I'm not being a smarta$$ or wanting to start a flame war. I have a question for you folks flying 121. By admission I am ignorant of the 121 world regarding your union and management issues and what you have been putting up with regarding your salaries. I do have friends flying 121 so most of what I here is from them or on this board. I have always been a Corp 91 pilot and have been able with each move increase my salary way over what my friends make flying for the regional. To be blunt the regional pay you guys are getting is absolutely embarrassing...bottom line big time a joke. My question is this: What has your union done to address and fix this problem...frankly why have union representation with these types of slag pay rates. Honestly how much worse can it get, I'd say its hit bottom pathetic for you guys...I hate it. Good folks dedicated to doing a good job at embarrassing wages. Somebody has to step up and help you guys. I'm curious what has the union done to address this problem.

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