Not Paying Union Dues

[mamba20]

I want to leave that previous post up becuase I was venting, but I'm better now. Rez, you make a very good point. I think your right, ALPA has failed to show where our membership dues go. As far as I know they go to snacks and Starbucks coffee at local meetings. I would love it if ALPA would actually tell me where my $700.00 a year goes.

 

[HelloNewman]

I want to leave that previous post up becuase I was venting, but I'm better now. Rez, you make a very good point. I think your right, ALPA has failed to show where our membership dues go. As far as I know they go to snacks and Starbucks coffee at local meetings. I would love it if ALPA would actually tell me where my $700.00 a year goes.

Since we don't have to pay dues at SkyWest that money goes to an extra trip to disneyland or wherever else every year. We have almost as good of a contract as anyone else. When you subtract the 2% they have to pay every month that makes our situation even better. I'm sorry but with all the regional pilots that don't like ALPA and the way things are right now I am glad we don't have to pay dues.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

hahahaha

I asked the question because another FI user mentioned not payig dues in another thread and it got me thinking. Now its turning into a bashing me thread on how I am spineless and I should go work for skywest

Relax, I pay my dues and am in good standing with the teamsters. I just wanted some feedback from the question.

Thank you all who keep making FI the "fun place" that it is.

Oh, what no Mesa sucks in this thread?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

EMB 170,
...unless you are asking a purely hypothetical question.

YES, Purely hypothetical question!!!!

I didn't think this thread would turn into this. Stupid me, this is FI

 

[D_G]

Only a fag would think about not paying union dues

 

[DoinTime]

I think your right, ALPA has failed to show where our membership dues go. As far as I know they go to snacks and Starbucks coffee at local meetings.

ALPA National and your local MEC's budget information is easily obtainable. I believe ALPA National publishes this information annually and MEC bugets can be obtained from your local officers.

I would love it if ALPA would actually tell me where my $700.00 a year goes.

Have you asked for this information or are your playing a game of "tell me what I'm thinking" with your MEC? I have zero sympathy for people who expect everything to be served to them on a silver platter. If you want information go out and get it. It is readily available.

 

[shamrock]

Since we don't have to pay dues at SkyWest that money goes to an extra trip to disneyland or wherever else every year. We have almost as good of a contract as anyone else. When you subtract the 2% they have to pay every month that makes our situation even better. I'm sorry but with all the regional pilots that don't like ALPA and the way things are right now I am glad we don't have to pay dues.

Piggybacking on Union carriers does have it's benefits.

 

[NuGuy]

In my perfect world Unions would not be neccessary but my perfect world doesn't exist. I didn't take long for me to learn in this buisness that you never take a knife to a gunfight. Everything nice airline pilots across the world enjoy is attributable to Unionization. Everything.

Your training, experience, and dedication mean nothing to a corporate executive. They are looking for the lowest cost worker that can meet an acceptable margin of safety.

Amen, brother, amen....

Nu

 

[paulsalem]

Only a fag would think about not paying union dues

Well that solves it.

 

[embdrvr]

We have almost as good of a contract as anyone else. When you subtract the 2% they have to pay every month that makes our situation even better.

You don't have a contract.
You have something written on a roll of toilet paper.
What are you going to do now that you're no longer getting paid cancellation pay?
Grieve it?

 

[HelloNewman]

You don't have a contract.
You have something written on a roll of toilet paper.
What are you going to do now that you're no longer getting paid cancellation pay?
Grieve it?

I haven't had the problem others are speaking of yet. That bridge I will cross when I come to it. Let's see what the results of the PIC are first. BTW Mesa has a grievance about not getting paid propery, FILED IN 2003!!! How are all that have already left going to get paid? Either way it is an uphill battle union or not.

 

[paulsalem]

You don't have a contract.
You have something written on a roll of toilet paper.
What are you going to do now that you're no longer getting paid cancellation pay?
Grieve it?

Do what you'd do in any other business. Tell your employer about the issue. If it is not resolved, quit.

 

[Downwind]

Are you guys all morons or are you just spewing the union mantra that you were tought in indoc?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Are you guys all morons or are you just spewing the union mantra that you were tought in indoc?

union mantra isn't tought in indoc. Unions have about 30mins to introduce the organization.

No, union mantra starts when a niave or innocent pilot gets bent over some technicality while one of managements clowns whips 'em upside the head with thier unique yet unethical lack of morals....

 

[ASADriver]

union mantra isn't tought in indoc. Unions have about 30mins to introduce the organization.

No, union mantra starts when a niave or innocent pilot gets bent over some technicality while one of managements clowns whips 'em upside the head with thier unique yet unethical lack of morals....

So all management people have "unethical lack of morals", and all union people are ethical and full of morals? Please! You aren't selling things to those of us who like to think for ourselves. Both sides have ethical problems and I have trouble finding morals on either side.....

 

[paulsalem]

So all management people have "unethical lack of morals", and all union people are ethical and full of morals? Please! You aren't selling things to those of us who like to think for ourselves. Both sides have ethical problems and I have trouble finding morals on either side.....

You hit the nail right on the head. Flight crews violate the contract just as much as the company does.

When was the last time you checked in or out before or after a trip?

Ever call in sick when you're not really ill?

It’s easy to be ethical when the other party is being so also. But that's not what ethics are about, now are they?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So all management people have "unethical lack of morals", and all union people are ethical and full of morals? Please! You aren't selling things to those of us who like to think for ourselves. Both sides have ethical problems and I have trouble finding morals on either side.....

I don't think I said all. In fact I said 'a'. Stick to the arguement... not spin...

 

[bustinmins]

Do not be a weasel! Pay your dues, speak your mind, vote your conscience.

Don't let the other pilots suffer to get bennies and then you reap the harvest of their hard labor while you sat eating bon-bons.

 

[ASADriver]

I don't think I said all. In fact I said 'a'. Stick to the arguement... not spin...

Talk about spin! You implied that it is management that lacks morals while ALPA is as pure as the wind driven snow. That is ALPA spin! I know plenty on BOTH sides that are void of any ethics. ALPA isn't exactly the poster child for "ethics and morals". Maybe you ALPA kool aid drinkers should stick to the arguement, instead of the Herndon spin you prefer.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Talk about spin! You implied that it is management that lacks morals while ALPA is as pure as the wind driven snow. That is ALPA spin! I know plenty on BOTH sides that are void of any ethics. ALPA isn't exactly the poster child for "ethics and morals". Maybe you ALPA kool aid drinkers should stick to the arguement, instead of the Herndon spin you prefer.

I implied or you read what you wanted.....

Sure ALPA has it faults... no doubt... any organization with people is going to have faults... what is your point?


Oh... if management operated above board on a consistantly avg basis unions would not exist....

Let's not forget...

One of the dark truths at the heart of free-market capitalism: the unblinking willingness of those in power to crush--physically and spiritually--those who work.