Not looking good at FLYi

[Flooder305]

Not only I guess the high failure rate, but the ones who did get their ticket, would then jump ship to JetBlue or greener pastures....... Kind of a wierd twist of fate, that now FlyI is paying a fee-per-departure...

 

[Fromage]

Yes, perhaps soon the CRJ's will be contracted out to another carrier as Independence Express?

 

[say again]

Not only I guess the high failure rate, but the ones who did get their ticket, would then jump ship to JetBlue or greener pastures....... Kind of a wierd twist of fate, that now FlyI is paying a fee-per-departure...

Certaintly can't blame them. I wonder why the high fail rate? Then again, I've flown with some of the pilots, and......

 

[Fromage]

Well, there is a reason that their senior pilots were never hired by larger airlines, no?

 

[Rick James]

Fromage,
Dont you have some surrendering to do somewhere frenchie?

 

[Wasted]

Well, there is a reason that their senior pilots were never hired by larger airlines, no?

I've been reading some of your writings from this last day or two, and I have to ask you something. What are you, some punk fifteen year old high school kid?

 

[Fromage]

No, I'm a FlyI pilot out buzzing around MCO at 200 feet, 'tard!

 

[Wasted]

You don't have a clue, do you? I know the person who did that, and he certainly wasn't a fifteen year old punk like you.

 

[shamrock]

The high failure rate of FlyI pilots in Airbus training has led them to outsource the flying to RyanAir.

Had an ex-Indy guy on the JS last week and he was telling us that the Indy training guys are now telling Airbus how training should be done on the 319. Apparently Airbus hasn't been doing it correctly, but it wasn't discovered until Indy started getting the 319. Acccording to Mr. Jumpseater, the Indy Airbus training guys are the same people that made the CRJ training so enjoyable a few years back at ACA.

Don't know if any of this is correct, but then again I heard it from a jumpseater, so it must be true.

 

[AZ Typed]

Speaking of outsourcing, I hear that FlyI's Airbus are being operated for them by RyanAir yes? How is that working? Is it a percentage of profit? Or a fee per departure like ACA used to be or what?

Cheeze 'N Rice

It is FLYi seniority list pilots flying the Big Blue Bus. And yes, it is filled with many of the Yahoos who built the RJ program. And yes they typically think that they know how to do it better and write screwed up procedures as such. The RJ is finally getting straightened out thanks to the 328 guys cluing the company in. Oh yeah - and also the fact that it was costing too much $$$ to design stupid useless procedures. Thankfully FLYi has great pilots who can see through the BS procedures the training department writes. Where did this "fee for departure" stuff come in? Flyi makes its own cash from its own marketing efforts, period. Their is no "fee for departure" of any sort. As for the 200 foot ordeal - what do you want when you have an upgrade system based on seniority only. Every airline has goofs in both seats who don't belong there - but simply can "hold" it due to their seniority (and no I don't have a better system for such a large group). Go Flyi!

 

[GogglesPisano]

The high failure rate of FlyI pilots in Airbus training has led them to outsource the flying to RyanAir. I believe that it is a fee-for departure. RyanAir has also taken all of the good looking flight attendants and left the ugly ones to crew the CRJ's.

News to me. I guess I should hand my type-rating back and stop doing those red-eyes.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I can vouch for what AZ Typed said. As usual, FlyI tried to re-invent the wheel with it's Airbus operations. The most frustrating thing is the fact that we are the only airine out of 150+ operators that uses a manual paper-based w&b calculation. The FO basically takes the FEX written before every pushback because a bean-counter decided an automated system in a $30 million airplane did not make sense. Lots of fun when the gate keeps sending stragglers down a minute before push and the rampers throw more bags on at the last minute. Needless to say a lot of flights leave the gate late (and management wonders why.)

As far as training goes, however, the failure rate is unusually low for ACA (sorry, FlyI)

Temp Bulletins are issued only to be corrected a few weeks later (just to make your manual a complete mess.)

Now they are harassing pilots for calling in sick and actually mentioning it in the Daily Briefing Company propaganda rag.

That's why FlyI will never succeed. The same middle management we've always had.

Great pilot group though -- what's left of it.

PS: Fromage is obviously a troll. But you have to admit, from reading this and some other threads, he's one of the better ones. Not as mean-spirited at Mickey. BTW Mickey, you should listen to Coldplay's newest album -- it might make yiou a nicer person.

 

[House_X]

I can vouch for what AZ Typed said. As usual, FlyI tried to re-invent the wheel with it's Airbus operations. The most frustrating thing is the fact that we are the only airine out of 150+ operators that uses a manual paper-based w&b calculation. The FO basically takes the FEX written before every pushback because a bean-counter decided an automated system in a $30 million airplane did not make sense. Lots of fun when the gate keeps sending stragglers down a minute before push and the rampers throw more bags on at the last minute. Needless to say a lot of flights leave the gate late (and management wonders why.)

As far as training goes, however, the failure rate is unusually low for ACA (sorry, FlyI)

Temp Bulletins are issued only to be corrected a few weeks later (just to make your manual a complete mess.)

Now they are harassing pilots for calling in sick and actually mentioning it in the Daily Briefing Company propaganda rag.

That's why FlyI will never succeed. The same middle management we've always had.

Great pilot group though -- what's left of it.

PS: Fromage is obviously a troll. But you have to admit, from reading this and some other threads, he's one of the better ones. Not as mean-spirited at Mickey. BTW Mickey, you should listen to Coldplay's newest album -- it might make yiou a nicer person.

Yep...the reasons stated above are why 600+ guys are furloughed. I still can't believe management wants concessions. I'm still keeping the Flyi sticker on the flight bag though ...

 

[Flooder305]

So I gather from AZ typed's post that the FlyI Airbus's are not being operated by RyanAir? Were they recently? And what's this 200' buzzing business? Someone out trying their hand at NapOTheEarth?

 

[AZ Typed]

So I gather from AZ typed's post that the FlyI Airbus's are not being operated by RyanAir? Were they recently? And what's this 200' buzzing business? Someone out trying their hand at NapOTheEarth?

I guess sometimes you have to S P E L L I T O U T. Ryan was NEVER part of FLYi. Yes, there was talk of getting Ryan to fly SOMETHING for FLYi until FLYi could get it's own Bus operation up and running. However, that didn't "fly". One crucial mistake was that it took SO LONG to get a transcon / low CASM aircraft up and flying. But Ryan was never actually part of the execution of FLYi. And yes...the MM at FLYi is what will sink it. But I think that FLYi will actually prevail - albeit a MUCH smaller operation: maybe 15 buses w/ 0 RJs for some time. Just my guess though. FLYi needs to work in the long run just to spite United and Delta. Ha!

AZT

 

[Flooder305]

Your sarcasm AZ-Tapped-Out is duly noted, however smart-guy it's easy to believe what you hear coming from FlyI, even that another company would be running your scare-busses on your behalf, when you've been grounded by the FAA in the past for not having enough spare parts on hand such as oh I don't know TIRES! Maybe your company believes that Airbus tires are so great they'll never wear out.... I was just asking questions looking for answers, but apparently your chip is so large I inadvertently bumped it and set you off....I hope Indy succeeds for those there who've invested a lot of their careers there, but not for your sake...

 

[ClubORD]

Flooder,

I was a pilot for ACA/FlyI for almost 3 years before I got furloughed. Maybe I was busy commuting or not folowing up on the crewroom gossip but I do not ever recall any "grounding by the FAA" like what you are talking about.

 

[IHaveAPension]

Yes, perhaps soon the CRJ's will be contracted out to another carrier as Independence Express?

Go and do a search on ACA-Lounge.com and see where some of the more egotistical airbus drivers have been referring to themselves as "mainline" and the crj drivers and "express"!

 

[Aerosim]

I love how gossip and rumors grow and grow until everyone starts to believe it.

1. Ryan Air is NOT and was never a part of Flyi.
2. All the training dept. changes were simply to modify the check list response/challenge & organization to fit an air carrier operation vs. using manufacture procedures, which are designed to take aircraft delivery not 4-6 legs per day. None of the required checklist items were deleted and the system tests were changed to first flight of the day items as opposed to every leg.
3. The tire issue did not ground the airline. The airbus ops certificate was placed on hold for one week so that Flyi could ensure all the part numbers were properly loaded into the spare parts database. Once it was proven the database was up to date the FAA certified the airbus. Operations started a few days later.
4. The 200' issue was the old computer saying...garbage in/garbage out. That individual is now spending a long time in the right seat. Every airline has these types of individuals.

Nothing else to see here...please move along.

 

[AZ Typed]

Your sarcasm AZ-Tapped-Out is duly noted, however smart-guy it's easy to believe what you hear coming from FlyI, even that another company would be running your scare-busses on your behalf, when you've been grounded by the FAA in the past for not having enough spare parts on hand such as oh I don't know TIRES! Maybe your company believes that Airbus tires are so great they'll never wear out.... I was just asking questions looking for answers, but apparently your chip is so large I inadvertently bumped it and set you off....I hope Indy succeeds for those there who've invested a lot of their careers there, but not for your sake...

Right Guy. My chip is large. You got it - hit the nail right on the head. It's not that hard to confirm a rumor that Ryan operated FLYi buses and that FLYi was ever grounded - yet you toss those accusations out like JO starts up a union busting airline. So - we attempt to set the record straight. It's not my fault you take the facts so personally that you wish my career to fail. Very Professional my "brother".

-moved on- AZT

 

[donaldd]

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[Cobra]

I love how gossip and rumors grow and grow until everyone starts to believe it.

1. Ryan Air is NOT and was never a part of Flyi.
2. All the training dept. changes were simply to modify the check list response/challenge & organization to fit an air carrier operation vs. using manufacture procedures, which are designed to take aircraft delivery not 4-6 legs per day. None of the required checklist items were deleted and the system tests were changed to first flight of the day items as opposed to every leg.
3. The tire issue did not ground the airline. The airbus ops certificate was placed on hold for one week so that Flyi could ensure all the part numbers were properly loaded into the spare parts database. Once it was proven the database was up to date the FAA certified the airbus. Operations started a few days later.
4. The 200' issue was the old computer saying...garbage in/garbage out. That individual is now spending a long time in the right seat. Every airline has these types of individuals.

Nothing else to see here...please move along.

Thanks Aerosim,

For clearing up some of the BS. It amazes me how fast it escalates.

G
I Air

 

[FreedomAList]

Well atleast FlyI had more seats filled than Mesa last month........and mesa had way more ASM's and RPM's. FlyI must be doing something right.....

This thread should be titled "Not looking Good at Mesa!"

Full plane or empty plane makes NO difference on profitability at Mesa (well, execpt for some of the 20 or so 1900D's left). The codeshare partner sets the schedules, sells the tickets, etc, and Mesa gets paid a flat fee-for-departure regardless of passenger load factors.

FLYi not only has to fill it's own planes, they have to keep their costs down - - and the CRJ200 is a terrible plane to do the latter in. I read somewhere they cost per seat mile for the CRJ fleet is something like .20 cents per seat mile! By comparison, JetBlue (the cheapest) is between .06-.07 cents per seat mile.

On it's current course FLYi is gonna be toast. Heck, they're going to have to do a REVERSE stock split to keep from being delisted.

 

[MaceyHold]

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[AZ Typed]

Full plane or empty plane makes NO difference on profitability at Mesa (well, execpt for some of the 20 or so 1900D's left). The codeshare partner sets the schedules, sells the tickets, etc, and Mesa gets paid a flat fee-for-departure regardless of passenger load factors.

FLYi not only has to fill it's own planes, they have to keep their costs down - - and the CRJ200 is a terrible plane to do the latter in. I read somewhere they cost per seat mile for the CRJ fleet is something like .20 cents per seat mile! By comparison, JetBlue (the cheapest) is between .06-.07 cents per seat mile.

On it's current course FLYi is gonna be toast. Heck, they're going to have to do a REVERSE stock split to keep from being delisted.

Feels good to put down a carrier that had the balls to tell the big boys to "F" off - doesn't it. Feels even better to undercut your brothers and sisters for any flying you can get - doesn't it. Feels good to work 14 hour days for 45K in the left seat of a 737 - doesn't it.

Comparing an A320 against an RJ for CASM is apples and oranges. Put a FLYi 319 against a JBLUE 320 and run that comparison (I don't know what it is, nor do I care). But before you go blasting a group that stood up for their industry - at least make it a somewhat realistic comparison, Lifer.

AZT

 

[ERAU2GIA]

Typical pilot behavior. Everyone slams everyone else for something. Mesaba and CHT guys said Mesa pilots were selling everyone out when they didn't reach Comair rates. Then Mesaba didn't either and so they were wh@res to everyone not yet up for contract renewal. Colgan are scabs because they're stealing flying from Skywest. Skywest stole it from Coex so they're evil sellouts and scabs first. Now Comair took concessions for new jets so they're the current whores. And ACA was the only regional with enough balls to tell DADDY to take his wh@re rates and shove them. Yet here you losers are. Kicking the only pilots with ANY balls in this industry while they're down.

You people are sickening. Really. You'd cut each other's throat in about two seconds for one dollar more per hour or a jet with ten more seats. And then you'd turn right around and accuse your best friend of the murder. You disgust me. You'll all get what you deserve in the end for not sticking together. Welcome to Walmart losers!
MR

 

[ClubORD]

Well put...thank you.

 

[AZ Typed]

Typical pilot behavior. Everyone slams everyone else for something. Mesaba and CHT guys said Mesa pilots were selling everyone out when they didn't reach Comair rates. Then Mesaba didn't either and so they were wh@res to everyone not yet up for contract renewal. Colgan are scabs because they're stealing flying from Skywest. Skywest stole it from Coex so they're evil sellouts and scabs first. Now Comair took concessions for new jets so they're the current whores. And ACA was the only regional with enough balls to tell DADDY to take his wh@re rates and shove them. Yet here you losers are. Kicking the only pilots with ANY balls in this industry while they're down.

You people are sickening. Really. You'd cut each other's throat in about two seconds for one dollar more per hour or a jet with ten more seats. And then you'd turn right around and accuse your best friend of the murder. You disgust me. You'll all get what you deserve in the end for not sticking together. Welcome to Walmart losers!
MR

Agreed.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Typical pilot behavior. Everyone slams everyone else for something. Mesaba and CHT guys said Mesa pilots were selling everyone out when they didn't reach Comair rates. Then Mesaba didn't either and so they were wh@res to everyone not yet up for contract renewal. Colgan are scabs because they're stealing flying from Skywest. Skywest stole it from Coex so they're evil sellouts and scabs first. Now Comair took concessions for new jets so they're the current whores. And ACA was the only regional with enough balls to tell DADDY to take his wh@re rates and shove them. Yet here you losers are. Kicking the only pilots with ANY balls in this industry while they're down.

You people are sickening. Really. You'd cut each other's throat in about two seconds for one dollar more per hour or a jet with ten more seats. And then you'd turn right around and accuse your best friend of the murder. You disgust me. You'll all get what you deserve in the end for not sticking together. Welcome to Walmart losers!
MR

Gets my vote for 2005's flightinfo post of the year.

 

[Always deferred]

Typical pilot behavior. Everyone slams everyone else for something. Mesaba and CHT guys said Mesa pilots were selling everyone out when they didn't reach Comair rates. Then Mesaba didn't either and so they were wh@res to everyone not yet up for contract renewal. Colgan are scabs because they're stealing flying from Skywest. Skywest stole it from Coex so they're evil sellouts and scabs first. Now Comair took concessions for new jets so they're the current whores. And ACA was the only regional with enough balls to tell DADDY to take his wh@re rates and shove them. Yet here you losers are. Kicking the only pilots with ANY balls in this industry while they're down.

You people are sickening. Really. You'd cut each other's throat in about two seconds for one dollar more per hour or a jet with ten more seats. And then you'd turn right around and accuse your best friend of the murder. You disgust me. You'll all get what you deserve in the end for not sticking together. Welcome to Walmart losers!
MR

As one of the 697 who lost their jobs, I don't regret it at all.