Not looking good at FLYi

[Flooder305]

Not only I guess the high failure rate, but the ones who did get their ticket, would then jump ship to JetBlue or greener pastures....... Kind of a wierd twist of fate, that now FlyI is paying a fee-per-departure...

 

[Fromage]

Yes, perhaps soon the CRJ's will be contracted out to another carrier as Independence Express?

 

[say again]

Not only I guess the high failure rate, but the ones who did get their ticket, would then jump ship to JetBlue or greener pastures....... Kind of a wierd twist of fate, that now FlyI is paying a fee-per-departure...

Certaintly can't blame them. I wonder why the high fail rate? Then again, I've flown with some of the pilots, and......

 

[Fromage]

Well, there is a reason that their senior pilots were never hired by larger airlines, no?

 

[Rick James]

Fromage,
Dont you have some surrendering to do somewhere frenchie?

 

[Wasted]

Well, there is a reason that their senior pilots were never hired by larger airlines, no?

I've been reading some of your writings from this last day or two, and I have to ask you something. What are you, some punk fifteen year old high school kid?

 

[Fromage]

No, I'm a FlyI pilot out buzzing around MCO at 200 feet, 'tard!

 

[Wasted]

You don't have a clue, do you? I know the person who did that, and he certainly wasn't a fifteen year old punk like you.

 

[shamrock]

The high failure rate of FlyI pilots in Airbus training has led them to outsource the flying to RyanAir.

Had an ex-Indy guy on the JS last week and he was telling us that the Indy training guys are now telling Airbus how training should be done on the 319. Apparently Airbus hasn't been doing it correctly, but it wasn't discovered until Indy started getting the 319. Acccording to Mr. Jumpseater, the Indy Airbus training guys are the same people that made the CRJ training so enjoyable a few years back at ACA.

Don't know if any of this is correct, but then again I heard it from a jumpseater, so it must be true.

 

[AZ Typed]

Speaking of outsourcing, I hear that FlyI's Airbus are being operated for them by RyanAir yes? How is that working? Is it a percentage of profit? Or a fee per departure like ACA used to be or what?

Cheeze 'N Rice

It is FLYi seniority list pilots flying the Big Blue Bus. And yes, it is filled with many of the Yahoos who built the RJ program. And yes they typically think that they know how to do it better and write screwed up procedures as such. The RJ is finally getting straightened out thanks to the 328 guys cluing the company in. Oh yeah - and also the fact that it was costing too much $$$ to design stupid useless procedures. Thankfully FLYi has great pilots who can see through the BS procedures the training department writes. Where did this "fee for departure" stuff come in? Flyi makes its own cash from its own marketing efforts, period. Their is no "fee for departure" of any sort. As for the 200 foot ordeal - what do you want when you have an upgrade system based on seniority only. Every airline has goofs in both seats who don't belong there - but simply can "hold" it due to their seniority (and no I don't have a better system for such a large group). Go Flyi!

 

[GogglesPisano]

The high failure rate of FlyI pilots in Airbus training has led them to outsource the flying to RyanAir. I believe that it is a fee-for departure. RyanAir has also taken all of the good looking flight attendants and left the ugly ones to crew the CRJ's.

News to me. I guess I should hand my type-rating back and stop doing those red-eyes.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I can vouch for what AZ Typed said. As usual, FlyI tried to re-invent the wheel with it's Airbus operations. The most frustrating thing is the fact that we are the only airine out of 150+ operators that uses a manual paper-based w&b calculation. The FO basically takes the FEX written before every pushback because a bean-counter decided an automated system in a $30 million airplane did not make sense. Lots of fun when the gate keeps sending stragglers down a minute before push and the rampers throw more bags on at the last minute. Needless to say a lot of flights leave the gate late (and management wonders why.)

As far as training goes, however, the failure rate is unusually low for ACA (sorry, FlyI)

Temp Bulletins are issued only to be corrected a few weeks later (just to make your manual a complete mess.)

Now they are harassing pilots for calling in sick and actually mentioning it in the Daily Briefing Company propaganda rag.

That's why FlyI will never succeed. The same middle management we've always had.

Great pilot group though -- what's left of it.

PS: Fromage is obviously a troll. But you have to admit, from reading this and some other threads, he's one of the better ones. Not as mean-spirited at Mickey. BTW Mickey, you should listen to Coldplay's newest album -- it might make yiou a nicer person.

 

[House_X]

I can vouch for what AZ Typed said. As usual, FlyI tried to re-invent the wheel with it's Airbus operations. The most frustrating thing is the fact that we are the only airine out of 150+ operators that uses a manual paper-based w&b calculation. The FO basically takes the FEX written before every pushback because a bean-counter decided an automated system in a $30 million airplane did not make sense. Lots of fun when the gate keeps sending stragglers down a minute before push and the rampers throw more bags on at the last minute. Needless to say a lot of flights leave the gate late (and management wonders why.)

As far as training goes, however, the failure rate is unusually low for ACA (sorry, FlyI)

Temp Bulletins are issued only to be corrected a few weeks later (just to make your manual a complete mess.)

Now they are harassing pilots for calling in sick and actually mentioning it in the Daily Briefing Company propaganda rag.

That's why FlyI will never succeed. The same middle management we've always had.

Great pilot group though -- what's left of it.

PS: Fromage is obviously a troll. But you have to admit, from reading this and some other threads, he's one of the better ones. Not as mean-spirited at Mickey. BTW Mickey, you should listen to Coldplay's newest album -- it might make yiou a nicer person.

Yep...the reasons stated above are why 600+ guys are furloughed. I still can't believe management wants concessions. I'm still keeping the Flyi sticker on the flight bag though ...

 

[Flooder305]

So I gather from AZ typed's post that the FlyI Airbus's are not being operated by RyanAir? Were they recently? And what's this 200' buzzing business? Someone out trying their hand at NapOTheEarth?

 

[AZ Typed]

So I gather from AZ typed's post that the FlyI Airbus's are not being operated by RyanAir? Were they recently? And what's this 200' buzzing business? Someone out trying their hand at NapOTheEarth?

I guess sometimes you have to S P E L L I T O U T. Ryan was NEVER part of FLYi. Yes, there was talk of getting Ryan to fly SOMETHING for FLYi until FLYi could get it's own Bus operation up and running. However, that didn't "fly". One crucial mistake was that it took SO LONG to get a transcon / low CASM aircraft up and flying. But Ryan was never actually part of the execution of FLYi. And yes...the MM at FLYi is what will sink it. But I think that FLYi will actually prevail - albeit a MUCH smaller operation: maybe 15 buses w/ 0 RJs for some time. Just my guess though. FLYi needs to work in the long run just to spite United and Delta. Ha!

AZT