Northwest Flight Attendants Reject Second Tentative Agreement

[Fly2Scuba]

I have found NWA FAs to be friendly towards jumpseaters and that's very nice of them. However, I question the idea of FA being a serious "career" just as wouldn't consider waitressing a career. I can understand $40,000 a year if they were working a full schedule, but most of them seem to have at least half the month off if not far more while a regional PILOT is making half that amount with 11 days off or 8.7 (fricken Mesa). Let's see, a pilot indavertantly crosses a runway and takes out a 747 in the process or a FA spills coffee on someone. Who deserves the compensation? Mandatory retirement age of pilots at 60/FAs at 30.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I have found NWA FAs to be friendly towards jumpseaters and that's very nice of them. However, I question the idea of FA being a serious "career" just as wouldn't consider waitressing a career. I can understand $40,000 a year if they were working a full schedule, but most of them seem to have at least half the month off if not far more while a regional PILOT is making half that amount with 11 days off or 8.7 (fricken Mesa). Let's see, a pilot indavertantly crosses a runway and takes out a 747 in the process or a FA spills coffee on someone. Who deserves the compensation? Mandatory retirement age of pilots at 60/FAs at 30.

I think it's more about making them a non union group. They are the front line and really if service gets bad some need to be let go. If we want to get our image backwe are going to have to make flying a pleasent experience.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

If image is important, and that is questionable, I think they should start with the gate agents. They are some of the rudest, nastiest, least helpful people I have ever seen for a job that requires interaction with the customers. Not all of course, but a bunch!

 

[canyonblue]

This will be fun. Hopefully NWA will use this opportunity to finally get some decent attendants.

I don't think Northwest could get anyone to work there for the money and work rules they are imposing. I heard sick time is accrued at 3 hours a month, vacation at 50% of 2005 and a 21% paycut to boot! Yea, sign 'em up! With Southwest and others hiring, why would anyone want to work at Northwest? The only thing going for them is that they have people who have put in years at the company, that will stick it out. But hiring off the street? No one will want to work at that place when the total compensation is SO much better at other airlines.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I don't think Northwest could get anyone to work there for the money and work rules they are imposing. I heard sick time is accrued at 3 hours a month, vacation at 50% of 2005 and a 21% paycut to boot! Yea, sign 'em up! With Southwest and others hiring, why would anyone want to work at Northwest? The only thing going for them is that they have people who have put in years at the company, that will stick it out. But hiring off the street? No one will want to work at that place when the total compensation is SO much better at other airlines.

It's still better than the regionals and they get plenty of flight attendants.

 

[canyonblue]

It's still better than the regionals ...........

I would doubt that.

 

[Lame Lizard]

Better question should be: Why would anyone want to work in the airline business? It's sad that this is what it has become.

 

[320AV8R]

.....(most I would imagine are very upset they were put in the position to stand up to mgmt instead of the pilots, at least one FA told me this personally).

Did you get some stock tips from this FA too?

Do you know what our new TA is composed of? Have you read it?

Do you know how it compares to the rest of the industry? (Did you see the item-by-item comparisions on every issue negotiated?)

Did you go to any road shows, or read the reams of stuff that came in the mail?

The answer is NO to all the above. The TA was presented to the pilots, & was approved, because it was deemed appropriate for the current conditions. The fact that it wasn't voted down, doesn't mean we didn't stand up to Mgmt.

If I remember correctly, the UAL & USAir guys approved their TAs too.

Did the UAL & USAir & DAL guys fail to "stand up to Mgmt?" The RLA doesn't apply...section 1113c does. Figure it out. At least we haven't had our pension trashed, like the other 3 airlines have.

What they want to take from the FAs is different than what we dealt with. They want to take more from people who make a lot less. The FAs deemed it inappropriate, & voted it down. BTW, only 60% voted the 2nd time, & two-thirds of them voted no...... so the turnout was pretty poor.

Final act, dumping the pension fund on the Pension Guarantee folks. My guess is no later than spring 07.

Your guess is just that....

If they dump the pension, the PBGC gets a large equity stake in the reorganized company.

Do you think that Mgmt wants that?

Do you know anything about the backgrounds of Doug Steenland, and particularly, Gary Wilson?

Better read up on the facts before you start guessing.

 

[SWA/FO]

--LCCs operating at a lower cost, because their employee costs are lower

That is what your management wants you to think. Looks like you have signed onto that one.

 

[320AV8R]

That is what your management wants you to think. Looks like you have signed onto that one.

Do some research on the Legacy pay rates vs. the LCCs pre- 911.

Take a look at AMR, UAL, DAL...... compared to the LCCs. The lower LCC cost allowed for lower ticket prices, which ate the Legacy's lunch. The adjustment was to re-align with the LCCs.

You SW guys are now at the top of the totem pole. Better watch out, your Mgmt is at the bottom gasing up the chain saw.


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[IB6 UB9]

Do some research on the Legacy pay rates vs. the LCCs pre- 911.

Take a look at AMR, UAL, DAL...... compared to the LCCs. The lower LCC cost allowed for lower ticket prices, which ate the Legacy's lunch. The adjustment was to re-align with the LCCs.

You SW guys are now at the top of the totem pole. Better watch out, your Mgmt is at the bottom gasing up the chain saw.


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I agree with the fact that the costs at the LCC's were lower, but I think there are a few more factors involved than just pay rates. SWA\FO is exactly right (this time). When shat hit the fin, management at your airline had a vision for the future that involved breaking the high labor contracts. One of the little tricks they got many of you to believe was that your concessions were necessary due to lower labor costs at other carriers. That led to the rash of incidents where the jumpseat was being denied. What they failed to also mention, of course, was their own failures, amongst a whole rash of other things that had a little (sarcasm here) more to do with it. Each to their own opinion, and believe what you want, I think it's been touched on here once or twice before. I have the position of being furloughed from a major and currently employeed by an LCC, and I certainly do not blame my current pay rate for why I am here. You state that "The adjustment was to re-align with the LCCs." A major just posted a quarterly profit of $300 million and B6's profit was $14 million? Were the huge concessions that necessary? IF COMPANIES CONTINUE TO POST HUGE PROFITS LIKE THE AFOREMENTIONED WILL THE PAYSCALES BE READJUSTED? I doubt it. Furthermore, I am willing to bet that when Steenland is finished NWA will post similar numbers...huge profits shortly after deep concessions. And after this happens you can factor in your payscales prior to the paycuts and I bet you see that NWA could have still posted a huge profit. This is purely speculation, my own crystal ball, but you drink free beer on me some night if I am wrong.

 

[canyonblue]

When shat hit the fin, management at your airline had a vision for the future that involved breaking the high labor contracts.

Good post and all spot on, except for the Oilers in 2007.:smash:

 

[YourPilotFriend]

That is what your management wants you to think. Looks like you have signed onto that one.

Your loyal SWA customers are pissed SWA no longer has lowest price.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

http://www.nwaafa.org/default.asp?id=275

For Immediate Release: August 1, 2006
Contact:
AFA-CWA Gives Northwest Airlines 15-Day Strike Notice

CHAOS ™ To Begin on August 15

Washington, DC - Northwest Airlines flight attendants, represented by the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA-CWA), last night informed the company of their intent to exercise their right to strike in 15-days. Effective August 15 at 9:01 pm, CHAOS could arrive at Northwest Airlines.

"Northwest flight attendants have been pushed too far. Now we're going to push back," said Mollie Reiley, Interim Master Executive Council President. "There is only so much we can give. The wage and benefit cuts that Northwest management has imposed on us are far too deep, especially with all the executives getting in line for huge bonuses. We're now going to show these executives that there are consequences to their greed."

CHAOS, or Create Havoc Around Our System™ is AFA-CWA's trademarked strategy of targeted work actions using random, unannounced strikes. Actual targets are a closely guarded secret. AFA-CWA maintains that any unilateral change to a collective bargaining agreement under the Railway Labor Act is prohibited and, therefore, triggers the right to strike.

For over 60 years, the Association of Flight Attendants has been serving as the voice for flight attendants in the workplace, in the aviation industry, in the media and on Capitol Hill. More than 55,000 flight attendants at 20 airlines come together to form AFA-CWA, the world's largest flight attendant union. AFA is part of the 700,000-member strong Communications Workers of America (CWA), AFL-CIO. Visit us at www.afanet.org .




Take that tired ol horse down girls,,,take er down. Give that soon to be SCAB based sh1t-box a fitting death.

 

[canyonblue]

Your loyal SWA customers are pissed SWA no longer has lowest price.

But they will pay more for the better service. Seems to me that the product probably matches the price for some carriers.