Northwest Flight Attendants Reject Second Tentative Agreement

[IB6 UB9]

Do some research on the Legacy pay rates vs. the LCCs pre- 911.

Take a look at AMR, UAL, DAL...... compared to the LCCs. The lower LCC cost allowed for lower ticket prices, which ate the Legacy's lunch. The adjustment was to re-align with the LCCs.

You SW guys are now at the top of the totem pole. Better watch out, your Mgmt is at the bottom gasing up the chain saw.


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I agree with the fact that the costs at the LCC's were lower, but I think there are a few more factors involved than just pay rates. SWA\FO is exactly right (this time). When shat hit the fin, management at your airline had a vision for the future that involved breaking the high labor contracts. One of the little tricks they got many of you to believe was that your concessions were necessary due to lower labor costs at other carriers. That led to the rash of incidents where the jumpseat was being denied. What they failed to also mention, of course, was their own failures, amongst a whole rash of other things that had a little (sarcasm here) more to do with it. Each to their own opinion, and believe what you want, I think it's been touched on here once or twice before. I have the position of being furloughed from a major and currently employeed by an LCC, and I certainly do not blame my current pay rate for why I am here. You state that "The adjustment was to re-align with the LCCs." A major just posted a quarterly profit of $300 million and B6's profit was $14 million? Were the huge concessions that necessary? IF COMPANIES CONTINUE TO POST HUGE PROFITS LIKE THE AFOREMENTIONED WILL THE PAYSCALES BE READJUSTED? I doubt it. Furthermore, I am willing to bet that when Steenland is finished NWA will post similar numbers...huge profits shortly after deep concessions. And after this happens you can factor in your payscales prior to the paycuts and I bet you see that NWA could have still posted a huge profit. This is purely speculation, my own crystal ball, but you drink free beer on me some night if I am wrong.

 

[canyonblue]

When shat hit the fin, management at your airline had a vision for the future that involved breaking the high labor contracts.

Good post and all spot on, except for the Oilers in 2007.:smash:

 

[YourPilotFriend]

That is what your management wants you to think. Looks like you have signed onto that one.

Your loyal SWA customers are pissed SWA no longer has lowest price.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

http://www.nwaafa.org/default.asp?id=275

For Immediate Release: August 1, 2006
Contact:
AFA-CWA Gives Northwest Airlines 15-Day Strike Notice

CHAOS ™ To Begin on August 15

Washington, DC - Northwest Airlines flight attendants, represented by the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA-CWA), last night informed the company of their intent to exercise their right to strike in 15-days. Effective August 15 at 9:01 pm, CHAOS could arrive at Northwest Airlines.

"Northwest flight attendants have been pushed too far. Now we're going to push back," said Mollie Reiley, Interim Master Executive Council President. "There is only so much we can give. The wage and benefit cuts that Northwest management has imposed on us are far too deep, especially with all the executives getting in line for huge bonuses. We're now going to show these executives that there are consequences to their greed."

CHAOS, or Create Havoc Around Our System™ is AFA-CWA's trademarked strategy of targeted work actions using random, unannounced strikes. Actual targets are a closely guarded secret. AFA-CWA maintains that any unilateral change to a collective bargaining agreement under the Railway Labor Act is prohibited and, therefore, triggers the right to strike.

For over 60 years, the Association of Flight Attendants has been serving as the voice for flight attendants in the workplace, in the aviation industry, in the media and on Capitol Hill. More than 55,000 flight attendants at 20 airlines come together to form AFA-CWA, the world's largest flight attendant union. AFA is part of the 700,000-member strong Communications Workers of America (CWA), AFL-CIO. Visit us at www.afanet.org .




Take that tired ol horse down girls,,,take er down. Give that soon to be SCAB based sh1t-box a fitting death.

 

[canyonblue]

Your loyal SWA customers are pissed SWA no longer has lowest price.

But they will pay more for the better service. Seems to me that the product probably matches the price for some carriers.

 

[PCL_128]

Seems to me that the product probably matches the price for some carriers.

No, trust me, those rock-bottom prices at NWA are actually overpriced for the (lack of)service that you get.

 

[SWA/FO]

You SW guys are now at the top of the totem pole. Better watch out, your Mgmt is at the bottom gasing up the chain saw.

Your not talking about Southwest Airlines, the highest paid pilots in the industry! Remember, we don't have the $hitty management, you do.

Your loyal SWA customers are pissed SWA no longer has lowest price.

Nice that you used the word "loyal" we do have loyal customers. Our load factors are up baby! up!! Way up!!!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

NWA files for an injunction against any job action.

 

[Pilotbob3]

why not CHAOS now???? why wait 15 days???

 

[Lake Alice]

They will give in and sign.

 

[Thomas39]

Nice that you used the word "loyal" we do have loyal customers. Our load factors are up baby! up!! Way up!!![/quote]

Wow, sounds like you are not only drinking the co. kool-aid, you fell head first into the kool-aid pool. Every single airline in the business has record load factors right now, not just SW.

 

[canyonblue]

Every single airline in the business has record load factors right now, not just SW.

Record loads = Record Profits ?

 

[canyonblue]

why not CHAOS now???? why wait 15 days???

...........The union said the imposition of those terms would be its trigger for what it calls CHAOS, for Create Havoc Around Our System. The union has described the tactic as using random, unannounced strikes on certain flights or certain gates.

It's a way to disrupt a carrier without gambling on shutting down the entire airline -- a gamble flight attendants might lose. However, the AFA said it would give 15 days notice before any strike, under an agreement its predecessor union made with Northwest.

 

[castle bravo]

"But they will pay more for the better service. "


What better service at WN? Your inflight entertainment system? Your assigned seats? Inflight meals? What better service?

 

[canyonblue]

What better service at WN? Your inflight entertainment system? Your assigned seats? Inflight meals? What better service?

We don't need any of that if you treat the customer the right way to begin with. Also having all of that on your airplane won't do crap if you treat the customer like crap.

Why stay at a Disney Hotel when the Doubletree in Orlando has more amenities? You're in a customer service industry if you didn't know, or maybe your airline hasn't found out yet.

 

[castle bravo]

" You're in a customer service industry if you didn't know,"


That's right, and the fact of the matter is that Singapore and Cathay get the highest grades in this area.

 

[castle bravo]

"We don't need any of that if you treat the customer the right way to begin with. "

If that is the case, then why is WN experimenting with assigned seating on a limited basis? Sounds to me like WN senior mgmt might be having a different idea.

 

[Lear70]

For Immediate Release: August 1, 2006
Contact:
AFA-CWA Gives Northwest Airlines 15-Day Strike Notice

CHAOS ™ To Begin on August 15

OUTSTANDING !!

F*ck you, Steenland.

320, you're smoking crack, as usual.

You're ranting that it's the fault of the LCC's that you just "had" to sign that concessionary POS contract.

Then you go even FURTHER and blame it on the employee wages.

You are simply clueless... Southwest has one of the highest crew costs of ANY U.S. carrier, yet they STILL manage to be low-cost in their OPERATIONS. Something Northwest has yet to figure out how to do.

Then almost all the airlines start announcing record PROFIT this last quarter, NWA being one of the lone holdouts for earnings reporting. Don't you find that somewhat odd? I have $20 bucks that says NWA posts a profit for the last quarter.

Lastly, grow some balls, and some self-respect, and stop blaming YOUR sell-out on other airlines. Take some responsibility and say you signed to save your job because you thought it was the best for you and your family. Does that make you a sell-out to the industry? Yep, but myself and others will be walking the line if and when it's required to hold up my end of the bar... and probably making more than you while I'm at it.

Later,,,

To all my NWA friends, ex-crashpad roommates, and friends at PCL and MSA who may suffer from the fallout, STAND STRONG! Doing the right thing is usually painful, but almost always worth it!

 

[320AV8R]

320, you're smoking crack, as usual.

Please elaborate about which of my posts have been inaccurate.

You're ranting that it's the fault of the LCC's that you just "had" to sign that concessionary POS contract.

YOU are ranting, & I never said it was the LCC's fault, nor did I state that we HAD to sign anything.

Control yourself. I stated that the FINANCIAL DYNAMICS of the LCC model put pressure upon ALL Legacy carriers to restructure. Why the f*ck do you think UAL, DAL, USAir & NWA went into CH 11? Get A fukkin clue.

Then you go even FURTHER and blame it on the employee wages.

See above

You are simply clueless... Southwest has one of the highest crew costs of ANY U.S. carrier, yet they STILL manage to be low-cost in their OPERATIONS. Something Northwest has yet to figure out how to do.

We are now one of the largest LCCs.....along with USAir & UAL.

Lastly, grow some balls, and some self-respect, and stop blaming YOUR sell-out on other airlines. Take some responsibility and say you signed to save your job because you thought it was the best for you and your family. Does that make you a sell-out to the industry? Yep, but myself and others will be walking the line if and when it's required to hold up my end of the bar... and probably making more than you while I'm at it.

Whatever, pal. I guess WE sold out, but the UAL, USAir & DAL guys didn't.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[320AV8R]

Take that tired ol horse down girls,,,take er down. Give that soon to be SCAB based sh1t-box a fitting death.

Pretty prolific Willow.

Did you think that up all by yourself, or did your wife tell you to post that?