Non-rev and commuting just got harder

[Rekks Inbound]

YES! Hijacked my first thread!

Does anyone think I should look out for a roundhouse kick to the head for this?

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Rekks Inbound]

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[COOPERVANE]

Fumble....beep, OH sorry! fumble, fumble, beep. What my belt? fumble, fumble, beep..... keys? fumble, fumble laptop? Oh I'm sorry, I left it in my bag! NRSA card? sorry, in my bag! Beep, Fumble fumble, cell phone. Repeat

No I won't be taking off my shoes Guess I'm in need of an additional search

 

[CFI2766]

(Posted this on the other thread, but it's the same idea...)

This all sounds well and good, the CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, but it's going to bite us: Instead of changing the rule, or somehow coming up with a compromise, we as crewmembers will simply be required to show up even earlier. Then, when we are late because of the TSA, we will be reminded that we have been required to show up earlier, on our own UNPAID time.

Think about it: how is showing up late going to sway the thinking of management? What's the easiest, cheapest solution? Make the flight crew culpable for the time they spend in line waiting on the TSA morons.

It will simply be a matter of time until we get a new bulletin dictating how far in advance we must show up to deadhead.

 

[IamHYPOXIC2]

It seems as though TSA wants to create havoc in the system once again. All I know is that once crews start missing flights home because of this directive, things are going to get really ugly. Now, if you'll excuse me I am feeling lightheaded so I must lie down.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

(Posted this on the other thread, but it's the same idea...)

This all sounds well and good, the CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, but it's going to bite us: Instead of changing the rule, or somehow coming up with a compromise, we as crewmembers will simply be required to show up even earlier. Then, when we are late because of the TSA, we will be reminded that we have been required to show up earlier, on our own UNPAID time.

Think about it: how is showing up late going to sway the thinking of management? What's the easiest, cheapest solution? Make the flight crew culpable for the time they spend in line waiting on the TSA morons.

It will simply be a matter of time until we get a new bulletin dictating how far in advance we must show up to deadhead.

The company (at least at AWAC) cannot require you to report earlier for a deadhead without negotiating a new side letter to our contract increasing the time required, since this is outlined in our current CBA. Yet another good reason to have a legal, union contract. Peace. Rekks

 

[Marsupial]

so has anybody actually gone through any of this yet...i.e. finish your trip and then try to commute home? did you go back through security or just go over to the gate - and did anyone at the gate make a big deal of it? just wondering what experiences anyone might have had dealing with this crap. thx.

 

[spacecadet1]

Jumpseated on United out of ORD today. Went thru the employee screening line which seemed longer since they must be making everyone get screened. Aside from the slightly longer employee line, not much different. United agent did the normal CASS check, nothing different.

 

[Marsupial]

but had u finished a trip there and they told you to go back out of the sterile area to get rescreened? commuting prior to my trip i always have to go through security anyhow. i am wondering about the end of the trip when already went through security at xyz airport, have now finished the trip and want to get on a flight 3 gates down.

 

[PCL_128]

Jumpseated twice on Delta today in plain clothes. Nothing different than before. No gate agent checked for a "stamped" gate pass, no extra TSA scrutiny, nothing. Everything seemed like business as usual.

 

[j41driver]

so has anybody actually gone through any of this yet...i.e. finish your trip and then try to commute home? did you go back through security or just go over to the gate - and did anyone at the gate make a big deal of it? just wondering what experiences anyone might have had dealing with this crap. thx.

Just commuted home. No different than before.

 

[lrn2fly]

Check the new ALPA notice. There was apparently a mis-interpretation. Nothing really changes fo rthe most part. Worst case scenario is when you become just a passenger ie no deadhead etc. We then can become seconadary gate screened. Never do we have to leave and come back through regular screening when already screened.

 

[j41driver]

Check the new ALPA notice.

Is it on the members-only side of the website? Can't seem to find it. Might be the fact that it's 3 am.....

 

[Nightrain_080]

sorry azz

Here is a tip for your commute. Call uhaul morons!!! this way you won't have to deal with the commute drama. Live in domicle and quit yer whining!!!

Hope to never fly with such a loser like newoman.

Sad that you sell out everyone for yourself. Selfish little one.

 

[Lear70]

Check the new ALPA notice. There was apparently a mis-interpretation. Nothing really changes fo rthe most part. Worst case scenario is when you become just a passenger ie no deadhead etc. We then can become seconadary gate screened. Never do we have to leave and come back through regular screening when already screened.

Sounds good.

In ATL it has been policy ever since I've been hired here that anyone parking in the employee lot then bypassing screening in order to travel on a pass must go back through security and be screened with their bags. There's signs all over the bus stops, in ops, on the entry to the elevator going up, and inside the elevator that tell you this.

This wasn't really news unless they started strictly enforcing it for commuters finishing a trip after bypassing at XYZ airport the morning of the last day.

Until they find a way to enforce it, I'd say business as usual.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As reported in yesterday's ALPA FastRead NewsFlash, the Transportation Security Administration issued an Aviation Security Directive on enhanced security procedures for airport screening checkpoint operations, gate screening, and aircraft cabin searches. U.S. airlines began implementing those procedures yesterday.
ALPA has been getting reports of apparent misinterpretations of TSA’s intent in implementing these enhanced screening procedures. With limited exceptions, flight crews should not experience any significant changes in security measures. Once a working crewmember has entered a secure area through a screening checkpoint at the airport of origin, that crewmember should not be required to undergo repeat checkpoint screening. This means that a crewmember who is leaving a flight to commute or deadhead home should not be required to leave the secure area and go back through screening. However, when the crewmember changes status to a passenger, like other passengers, the crewmember will be subject to random secondary boarding gate screening.
ALPA members and MECs are requested to provide feedback to [email protected] about specific airports at which problems outside the intent of the Directive are encountered so that ALPA can address any problems.
ALPA continues to actively engage in dialogue with government and industry representatives to ensure that the Directive is implemented so the effect on flightcrew members will be minimal. Future FastReads will report any significant developments.

.....

 

[AV80R]

Who comes up with this stuff?

I believe the Comair gate agent who was non-reving while trying to smuggle in guns and dope into Puerto Rico a few weeks ago "came up" with those stupid rules for all of us.

I hope they don't give him a jail sentence but instead release him into a packed crew room so the people affected by his actions the most can "take care" of him in a prompt manner!

 

[jstyle13]

I got off my 4 day yesterday in ATL. Went thru security in ISP that morning. Never left the secure area. Went to the gate to commute home on Mainline (I'm ASA). Was told they couldn't activate me as a non-rev at the counter and that I would need to go out front to the main terminal, activate there, go thru security then I would be listed. I could however list as a jumpseater at the counter (which I did). I tried to show the gate agents the form that was on OURASA that said if we had never left the secure area that we didn't have to screen. The gate agents had a different paper from Delta that said you had to have been screened prior to being listed as a non-rev. The paper didn't say you had to be screened in ATL...just screened. They took that to mean in ATL, even though it just said screened.

No one seems to be on the same page on this thing. Dumb...just plain dumb is all it is anyways.

 

[Lear70]

I got off my 4 day yesterday in ATL. Went thru security in ISP that morning. Never left the secure area. Went to the gate to commute home on Mainline (I'm ASA). Was told they couldn't activate me as a non-rev at the counter and that I would need to go out front to the main terminal, activate there, go thru security then I would be listed. I could however list as a jumpseater at the counter (which I did). I tried to show the gate agents the form that was on OURASA that said if we had never left the secure area that we didn't have to screen. The gate agents had a different paper from Delta that said you had to have been screened prior to being listed as a non-rev. The paper didn't say you had to be screened in ATL...just screened. They took that to mean in ATL, even though it just said screened.

No one seems to be on the same page on this thing. Dumb...just plain dumb is all it is anyways.

ATL

Why am I not surprised.

DAL gate agents are THE WORST of any airline in the country, save possibly AA when it comes to jumpseating.

Same thing happened with jumpseats over the last year as DAL came online with unlimited reciprocal agreements. The gate agents were the last people in the chain who had the wrong information and were still turning people away with empty seats.

This will probably be similar - they're the first to get the information not to let people on and will be the last to know that being screened once at ANY station and remaining in the sterile area is OK.

This is why, until recently when we went live with CASS, I chose to drive 4 hours back and forth to ATL for the last year.

No offense intended to the great pilots at DAL who get us back and forth across the country and vice-versa - had a DAL pilot on board to PNS last week, very cool guy. It's just your gate agents... on a serious power trip.

 

[Tarzan]

Gate Nazis. As many things in this job that are utter BS, like waiting a hour for a gate or having to wait 45 minutes after push time for more go-juice, etc. Those are all annoyances but gate nazis get my goat. I am very thankful I no longer commute and have to kiss their butts to get on a plane.