No MDA pilots take Republic deal..

[WSurf]

Well Said Lear24!!!

 

[Stick Man]

jealous m f ers

HA HA HA

 

[Stick Man]

Wow!

OK, I'm a simple guy. USAirways hands planes over to Republic.... so they can fly them for USAirways. That sounds like a change of control to me.

CHQ pilots: This is your opportunity to stand up and help stop the destruction. If you guys want some respect, you have to earn it. STAND UP AND SUPPORT THE MDA GUYS!

So CHQ got these planes for free huh?

How are we racing to the bottom if we got these for free?

J32 is an A55MUNCHER!

LOL! I LOVE THIS PETTY BS!!!!!

Dont waste your time Starchecker - these tools will always be bitchin'. Just like the pu55ies in the crewrooms who dont have the balls to walk up to us and say something - the same tools who make a55hat comments as we step out of "their" planes.

LOL

 

[FlyinScotsman]

On a side note:I was a J4J at MESA. About 120+ J4J's signed up. In the 16 months I was there about 110 were off to greener pastures. Quite a few went to Cathay Pacific. Others to Net Jets, Net Jets International, Fed Ex. South West, DHL, Air Tran, Jet Blue, Contract 737's in China, corporate, etc..etc. Pretty much the whole spectrum of aviation. You can see the attrition rate was very high. We have seen similar rates at MDA with about 5 to 7 leaving per month. My point being is that everyone is looking for better jobs and if they do come to Republic they will not be there for long.

YA Right!, I will be right over! That is a gamble no one should take.

 

[Sig]

So CHQ got these planes for free huh?

How are we racing to the bottom if we got these for free?

J32 is an A55MUNCHER!

LOL! I LOVE THIS PETTY BS!!!!!

Dont waste your time Starchecker - these tools will always be bitchin'. Just like the pu55ies in the crewrooms who dont have the balls to walk up to us and say something - the same tools who make a55hat comments as we step out of "their" planes.

LOL

I have the testicular fortitude to call out a crew that brags about 170 class- and in the same breath qualifies their sentiments by acknowledging that they're in at the expense of a displaced MDA pilot. Guilty much? It has happened twice now. And I promise you, if I walked up to the very loud circle-jerk that usually happens when more than two of you clot up in self-congratulatory fervor, NOBODY has the word "pu$$y" in mind. Classy!

LOL indeed, YMFSPOSCP.

 

[stb]

Just like the pu55ies in the crewrooms who dont have the balls to walk up to us and say something LOL

Give it a couple of months and I'm sure you will get an ear full.

I'd like to see a REP crew change a couple of months from now.
Imagine a 16 year USAirways pilot flying F/O for a CHQ pilot. Talk about CRM in a cockpit.
Wont happen because U pilots wont work for sub-substandard wages.

 

[Stick Man]

I have the testicular fortitude to call out a crew that brags about 170 class- and in the same breath qualifies their sentiments by acknowledging that they're in at the expense of a displaced MDA pilot. Guilty much? It has happened twice now. And I promise you, if I walked up to the very loud circle-jerk that usually happens when more than two of you clot up in self-congratulatory fervor, NOBODY has the word "pu$$y" in mind. Classy!

LOL indeed, YMFSPOSCP.

Expense huh? THEY CHOSE THEIR FATE YOU CLOWN!

I didnt force them to do what they did. No one forced them to make the decisions that they have made. Why should anyone be forced to pay a price for the fact that some chose poorly.

The climate in this country is changing. The attitude is as well. People in general want others to pay them (in many forms) for "transgressions against".

Stand up, be a man, be responsible for your own decisions and stop blaming others. The dire straits that most are in nowadays are situations that could have been avoided by solidarity and fortitude. I never knew that when Honest Abe prohibited slavery, it didn't pertain to airline employees, just the ramp help in PHL.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

"...the fact that some chose poorly"

I'm sorry. Could you just explain to me exactly what decision they made that you believe was "poor"?

 

[BaronDrvr]

LOL indeed, YMFSPOSCP.

Alright, on a differnet note, I can figure out the YMFSPOS but what does the CP stand for? Anyone? Anyone?

 

[stb]

Alright, on a differnet note, I can figure out the YMFSPOS but what does the CP stand for? Anyone? Anyone?

What is CHQ Pilot?

I'm just guessing the answer to the question.

Was I correct?

 

[dav8or]

Perhaps the MDA guys are having problems going to an airline that dosnt even have a certificate for the 170 yet.

Why not they fly for one now.

 

[Sig]

Expense huh? THEY CHOSE THEIR FATE YOU CLOWN!

I didnt force them to do what they did. No one forced them to make the decisions that they have made. Why should anyone be forced to pay a price for the fact that some chose poorly.

Stand up, be a man, be responsible for your own decisions and stop blaming others. The dire straits that most are in nowadays are situations that could have been avoided by solidarity and fortitude. I never knew that when Honest Abe prohibited slavery, it didn't pertain to airline employees, just the ramp help in PHL.

Easy, tulip. Re-read my post: Those were the words of a crew bragging about the exciting new jets, then back-pedalling with the MDA qualifier. I didn't even mention the hideous crone of a FA that bragged nonstop about the 170eeth (she brushed her tooth with firecrackers, apparently) from PHL to SYR to me simply because I'm PDT and I'd be missing out on the "frow thloo"... which collaterally means you can drop the boolsheet about me blaming others. I am not, was not, and I don't really have a sitch to b!tch about anyway (how much ya make on the 70 seater? Uhh, training contract?).

I completely agree with you about owning your decisions, but the shoe will change feet someday, and I'll bet you will feel the sting of being undercut by a doe-eyed 172 captain, stupefied/slipshod management's blunders, or whipsawed against a less en-spined pilot group someday. Maybe not... but the odds are agin' ye.

 

[ERJDRVR2]

Give it a couple of months and I'm sure you will get an ear full.

I'd like to see a REP crew change a couple of months from now.
Imagine a 16 year USAirways pilot flying F/O for a CHQ pilot. Talk about CRM in a cockpit.
Wont happen because U pilots wont work for sub-substandard wages.

Hey Dumba$$, we have it now. We currently have J4J USAIR guys here now that have no problem flying with us. 100% standup GREAT pilots to fly with.
You need to think before you talk.

 

[stb]

Hey Dumba$$, we have it now. We currently have J4J USAIR guys here now that have no problem flying with us. 100% standup GREAT pilots to fly with.
You need to think before you talk.

USAir J4J pilots are flying as F/O's?

 

[Traumahawk]

You can say that again. $56/hr for an EMB-170 Captain? A two year training contract? Double occupancy hotel rooms in training?

Who does the union representation at Republic? This is pathetic.

Or they could be on the street like the many, many other Airways guys who didn't even get a crack at a jetsforjobs gig in the first place. This isn't a merger brotha. Some places would maybe, give them a job interview; nothing more.

How much were you paid during training at your current regional???

WAIT WAIT...more importantly....How much did you PAY FOR TRAINING as an F/O at your first regional?? Be sure to put a (-) sign in front of your "earnings figure" for us.

Please try walking in our shoes before you ignorantly proclaim our offer is pathetic. You sold your right to judge a LONG time ago

...and around and around we go.

T-Hawk

 

[House_X]

Mesaba vs. Pinnacle
Skywest vs. ASA
Comair vs. Delta
ACA & AWAC, vs. United
MESA vs. EVERYBODY

Add a new one this month...CHQ vs. MDA

If I missed any please add at your leisure...

Looks like airline management's plan to divide multiple pilot groups is as strong as ever...meanwhile our wallets are getting thinner by the year.

The idea of One Union, One pay scale sounds good to me...

We've got to stick together!

 

[stb]

Or they could be on the street like the many, many other Airways guys who didn't even get a crack at a jetsforjobs gig in the first place. QUOTE]

All pilots did have a crack at the jets4jobs. PSA and MidAtlantic(U DOH 9/99)

The LOA was agreed upon a year ago, CHQ managment knew about this before they offered to buy MDA. Included in the LOA is the pilot contract of MDA/USAirways.
A Sale of Assets to CHQ could result in a pay raise to CHQ 170 pilots, per diem, insurance, days off etc.

Question to CHQ pilots, could U pilots come over to REP and their contract be controlling the REP certificate while the CHQ keeps the current contract on the CHQ certificate?
This could lead to two pay rates for U pilots and CHQ pilots flying the 170.
Does the CHQ current contract get to cherry pick other contracts flying for CHQ? (Shuttle America)
For example, if the Shuttle contract had 10 min days off and CHQ only had 9 days off. Would CHQ contract change to have 10 days off min?

No dog in this immediate fight just interested in the outcome.
Dont know why the CHQ pilots are so bent out of shape by the MDA pilots rejecting to work at CHQ/REP?
100% of the group told everyone to go F themselves (U and Rep management, ALPA etc.)and take this job and stuff it if we dont get what was in the contract. On the street one or twice before it wasn't the end of the world.
$500 a week in unemployment for 26 weeks plus furlough pay of a couple of months. Recall rights to USAir/AWA in 10 years.

 

[PCL_128]

Please try walking in our shoes before you ignorantly proclaim our offer is pathetic.

Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes before you start talking about how grateful they should be for your pathetic little offer. These guys have been screwed over so many times by now that they're probably numb. Why should they be happy with the scraps you're willing to throw their way? It wasn't that long ago that all this flying was done by mainline and WO'd pilots. Now newbie CHQ pilots like yourself think that you are superior to them and they should be grateful for what you let them have? Laughable at best.

 

[ERJDRVR2]

USAir J4J pilots are flying as F/O's?

YES !!

 

[Traumahawk]

I Can't Believe This Guy!

Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes before you start talking about how grateful they should be for your pathetic little offer. These guys have been screwed over so many times by now that they're probably numb.

I sit next to them. I overnite with them. I laugh with them. I respect them. BUT None of the current J4J guys have to say what you are saying for them. Instead, most simply admit this isn't what they pictured 15 years ago, 2 leg commutes on reserve are H3LL, but they are lucky to have jobs and at the end of the day, are grateful to be at CHQ.

Why should they be happy with the scraps you're willing to throw their way? It wasn't that long ago that all this flying was done by mainline and WO'd pilots. Now newbie CHQ pilots like yourself think that you are superior to them and they should be grateful for what you let them have? Laughable at best.

I guess we're not that different eh? You don't REALLY think you are flying express routes for Northwest still do you? What do you think the people you carry day in and day out were riding on 5-6 years ago??

I can say I didn't PFT my way into the right seat where I am. Perhaps it helped the lot of us that didn't build a little more character and perspective that you will always lack. Go update your lists and dream sweet dreams of kicking your first pilot off of the jumpseat.

Many owe these guys respect. It's been a rollercoaster for many of them. But noone anywhere in the BUSNINESS of aviation owes someone else a job. You make the best decision you can make, and see where it leads you.

"Aviation is a table of feast or a desert of famine." - Pete Fusco

Bon A' petit, my friends.

T-Hawk

 

[PCL_128]

I guess we're not that different eh? You don't REALLY think you are flying express routes for Northwest still do you? What do you think the people you carry day in and day out were riding on 5-6 years ago??

That's absolutely right, the routes I fly now used to be mainline routes in many cases. The difference is this: I don't tell the furloughed guys that they should be grateful when our airline throws them a few scraps and lets them interview at Pinnacle for a job. I don't like it when a mainline -9 is taken off of a route and a Pinnacle CRJ shows up on it the next week. I certainly don't tell the guy that lost his upgrade slot at mainline because of it that he should "just be happy he has a job."

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes before you start talking about how grateful they should be for your pathetic little offer. These guys have been screwed over so many times by now that they're probably numb. Why should they be happy with the scraps you're willing to throw their way? It wasn't that long ago that all this flying was done by mainline and WO'd pilots. Now newbie CHQ pilots like yourself think that you are superior to them and they should be grateful for what you let them have? Laughable at best.

You act as if you know how the CHQ offer compares to the current conditions at MDA. Well please enlighten us PFT_128. How do the pay rates and work rules compare.

By the way there is not one guy at CHQ who thinks himself superior to the J4J's. If anything we learn what we can from them while they're here.

 

[PCL_128]

You act as if you know how the CHQ offer compares to the current conditions at MDA. Well please enlighten us PFT_128. How do the pay rates and work rules compare.

Anyone can find that information. The "offer" was posted here on this thread and the info for MDA is on airlinepilotcentral.com.

 

[Mike15601]

Originally Posted by Mike15601
Perhaps the MDA guys are having problems going to an airline that dosnt even have a certificate for the 170 yet.


Why not they fly for one now.
__________________
????Yes..MDA has 170's and operate under USAirways certificate. Republic at this point and time does not have even one 170 nor an approved FAA Cert. to operate it. How can MDA guys be expected to even accept a job to a "virtual" airline. There is nothing to go to at this point and time.

 

[Traumahawk]

You act as if you know how the CHQ offer compares to the current conditions at MDA. Well please enlighten us PFT_128. How do the pay rates and work rules compare.

By the way there is not one guy at CHQ who thinks himself superior to the J4J's. If anything we learn what we can from them while their here.

Absolutely.

And PCL, you didn't answer my earlier questions on the previous page. Go back to your hole. You don't understand politics and you sure don't understand this industry. You're in the box. Go educate yourself..please...somehow...

And when you do come back, please, don't lecture people on payscales. You PAID to sit right seat, you completely destroyed any ground you had on this issue.
You ARE the weakest link...goodbye.

 

[Popeye0537]

Its called Shuttle America....we already operate 170's

 

[Stick Man]

USAir J4J pilots are flying as F/O's?

This tool doesn't even know what the j4j deal was. But he's damn willing to open the gateway to hell under his nose isn't he?

 

[stb]

By the way there is not one guy at CHQ who thinks himself superior to the J4J's. If anything we learn what we can from them while their here.

Hmm so why the one year training contract from management?

3 sims at $15000 I would want the full 2 month program.

 

[Traumahawk]

Hmm so why the one year training contract from management?

You answered your own question. I don't remember voting on anything lately.

 

[Stick Man]

Give it a couple of months and I'm sure you will get an ear full.

I'd like to see a REP crew change a couple of months from now.
Imagine a 16 year USAirways pilot flying F/O for a CHQ pilot. Talk about CRM in a cockpit.
Wont happen because U pilots wont work for sub-substandard wages.

This yacka55 is already slandering the MDA FO that he tries to defend. I am sure that whoever sits to my right in the 170 or 145 or 190 for that matter will be nothing but professional as I will do so myself.

Also, "sub-standard" could be defined as working for an airline that is a division of an airline with no money, no future, no positive cash flow and no decent ramp help in a major hub city, while making 1000 bucks more a year.

What the heck is sub-substandard? We don't have subs on property yet. But I'll bet someone says that we'd undercut Admiral Nimitz in the race to the bottom.