NO JS to anti-ALPA types

[PuffDriver]

This is absurd..... there are many ALPA pilots who have done harm to the profession... should we deny them also? This is a slippery slope....

Most notably, the RJDC. Oh wait, they just got their a$$ handed to them.

 

[Nevets]

NOBODY wins a jumpseat war so don't go trying to start one please.

 

[Occam's Razor]

We all get it. Razor was advocating using the jumpseat as a political tool after some kind of litmus test, despite ALPA's policy to the contrary, until he got called on it, then he started backpeddling with, "I have to ask questions to see if they're impaired."

Nice try!

The question works. It works better than your concept, which is to ask nothing. It also works when I get a UAL or CAL jumpseater. When I ask if they have an ALPA card, the Active members appreciate it...and the non-members don't. If you're freeloading at an ALPA carrier, you will not benefit from jumpseat access that was negotiated by ALPA.

I suppose I could ask other questions, like "What is your favorite color?" and "What is the airspeed velocity of a fully-laden swallow?"...but I don't. I choose one that works for me.

I know you don't like that.

I use that fact as further confirmation that I'm probably doing it right.

When ALPA pilots act like thugs, it doesn't endear the organization to those potential pilot groups considering membership.

So far, it appears to irritate the bozos who've sued ALPA because they got what they signed-up for.

Just another benefit, that.

 

[PCL_128]

When I ask if they have an ALPA card, the Active members appreciate it...and the non-members don't.

Very true. I was asked by a different NWA Captain for my ALPA card when jumpseating MEM-DTW a few years ago. I commented that I thought it was great that he was asking for them. I'm sure one of our non-members would have thought differently and proceeded to make an ass out of himself at the mere request.

 

[JPAustin]

To all those compelled to be stubborn:

Oh for GODS SAKES! So long as the jumpseater is in CASS or reciprocal and cleared, being polite, and acknowledging of your cockpit rules, GIVE THE GUY THE JUMPSEAT! It is that simple!

I know a few, and I mean, A FEW, captains that have some massive chip on their shoulder or insecurity issues (or any other personality flaw) that makes them HELL to fly with. I have seen these FEW guys deny a jumpseater because he was with a certain pilot group (that was obviously non-ALPA and/or non-union). Those FEW look so proud of their misplaced efficacy and are completely oblivious to the fact that the people they fly with are either laughing at them behind their backs and/or completely hated by the majority of the base and/or members of the pilot group they come in contact.

Here's a hint... if you want to evangelize ALPA, then invite the scorned jumpseater into the cockpit and have a meaningful and educating discussion with them! Oh yes, you also need to listen to their beliefs and opinions too, even if you think they are misplaced or without merit. All this of course if the jumpseater isn't being galactically stupid and rude.

What a pity that there are still individuals on the line who prescribe to the old world style of "if you don't agree with me, I will scorn you into submission". Kind of like the old style of religious conversion -- convert or you will die.

In summary, THERE ARE OTHER OPINIONS! LISTEN! Oh wait, you aren't listening anyway.

But if a hint is getting through, get off the high horse and don't start a jumpseat war, which you are most certainly doing even though you believe otherwise. Give a guy a ride to work, home, family event (emergency) so long as he/she is on CASS or a cleared reciprocal agreement. As Captain, you have the right to refuse jumpseat to someone you feel is not safe to be up there. SOMEONE YOU DISAGREE WITH IS NOT SOMEONE WHO IS UNSAFE TO BE IN YOUR COCKPIT! GEESH!

 

[JPAustin]

Fire away.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Fire away.

Why?

You've got an opinion on the topic. It's valid.

Others have different opinions. Their's are valid too.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Dead Horse

This thread was started over 7 weeks ago!!!!! Currently at 18 pages and over 250 replies. Has anybody not thrown out their opinions on this yet?

 

[JPAustin]

I say "fire away" because usually there is a rebuttal.

 

[N2264J]

I know you don't like that.

How I feel about it is beside the point. When you haze people about their union affiliation to qualify for "your" jumpseat, that's contrary to the spirit and letter of ALPA policy.

An ALPA wonk trying to make this a personal thing with me is subterfuge.