NJI Bashing...

[squonk]

Rusty, did you learn nothing from the poker game that was played out over the last year? Keep putting all your eggs in the great ones basket. Keep your fingers crossed he makes the right bet. If you didn't see that he would throw you under the bus to make the deal, then I have some land in FLA.....Oh never mind. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[realityman]

Rusty, for a brief time I actually thought you might know what you're talking about. Maybe you should listen to that old adage that says, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt".

We DID get it in writing this time! And guess what? RTS still wants to ignore what is now a legally binding document. You can rant all you want about our union trying to strong-arm corporate Amercia, but in America even the top management folks are expected to abide by what they agreed to, ESPECIALLY if it's in writing.

I hear you coming up with all kinds of union bashing towards our local 1108. All well and good. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I'm still waiting to hear your explanation as to why it's acceptable for RTS to go back on his written word. He certainly didn't have to put it in our contract, but he did. You and Wolkpack seem to be pretty critical of us for going after him to live up to the contract, but haven't even tried to offer a rationalization as to why he's not doing it in the first place.

If you hired a contractot to paint your house, and actually signed an agreement to have it done, wouldn't you persue that contractor in court if he just upped and quit painting halfway through the job? Especially if you'd paid him in advance for the whole thing. He had a contract, you expect him to honor it. Why is it any different for us?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

You and Wolkpack seem to be pretty critical of us for going after him to live up to the contract, but haven't even tried to offer a rationalization as to why he's not doing it in the first place.

Hold on there Trigger! Let’s put the brakes on here before you go dragging me into this.

I asked a very simple question (had to ask it about 30 times); and finally one of your more ‘friendly’ pilots gave me an answer. So now I’m out of it, I got what I was looking for. Oh, and yes I did ask what was going on now; but that’s because you or someone else said your management is back tracking or backing out on parts of your new deal. But that was curiosity only; I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about.

Basically all I have to say to you and all the other pilots at NJA is best wishes for the future. Sure I throw a little gab here and there; but its all in the name of fun, there’s no malicious intent.


ps. it's Wolfpack, not Wolkpack

 

[gunfyter]

Did I meet you in HPN? Met a really friendly guy with 3 stripes there.

 

[ghostrider64]

Well my $ is betting that no more than 10 NJI pilots would actually quit if and when NJI becomes part of 1108. Like many have said before we are "just pilots". But promises were undeniably made between RTS and the pilots of 284. They were not only broken but burned as well.

My crystal ball says that NJI will become 1108. Something tells me 2500+ guys are going to see that the promise comes to be. Nothing personal between NJA and NJI pilots. Except for that one little red head fat Ba$tard I met long ago that hated "our union". Which he left to join EJI.

RTS has made it a very personal goal to each and every one of us. And the almighty still has to answer to the Oracle. I doubt he wants another carpet dance like the one from last fall.

 

[wheeler]

Here’s my question concerning this airplane. I’ve seen the photos and read the website, however…

Gulfstream has a name associated with a high end product. They build the world’s finest long range, stand up cabin private/business aircraft in the world, period. And that’s a given, no one argues this. It is the Bentley, the Mercedes Benz, the Rolls Royce (really, the engines are RR) of the airplane industry.

Why in the world is Gulfstream trying to break into a market so heavily dominated by Cessna and Raytheon when the products they offer are as good as, and more affordable than theirs?

I use to think the same thing about Gulfstream being the world's finest. Then I moved over to the Falcons. The Falcon 900ex is by far the finest business aircraft. I do like the G-V but the 900ex has a better cabin. The 7x is why Gulfstream is getting into the midsize (G150 G200) market. The G's are losing market share to the Falcons.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Did I meet you in HPN? Met a really friendly guy with 3 stripes there.

Me?....


I was in HPN last week.

 

[NJANJIFLEXFLOP]

Hey lozer, do a little search. That was 750driver that was saying that tip stuff. If you cant even do a little search before you come on here and start throwing that stuff around, it shows your integrity.

BTW, I hear your interview process involves blowing the chief pilot.
Have a nice day, and in the future, when you sling mud, please check your facts.

My apology. You are right.....at least about it being someone else. However I am starting to group all of you Union Koolaid drinkin', frontal lobotomized, A$$holes together. Oh and BTW the chief pilot was flying the line when I interviewed. We all work together and speak for ourselves.

Again My Apology to you.

 

[SeaSpray]

Here’s my question concerning this airplane. I’ve seen the photos and read the website, however…

Gulfstream has a name associated with a high end product. They build the world’s finest long range, stand up cabin private/business aircraft in the world, period. And that’s a given, no one argues this. It is the Bentley, the Mercedes Benz, the Rolls Royce (really, the engines are RR) of the airplane industry.

Why in the world is Gulfstream trying to break into a market so heavily dominated by Cessna and Raytheon when the products they offer are as good as, and more affordable than theirs?

I use to think the same thing about Gulfstream being the world's finest. Then I moved over to the Falcons. The Falcon 900ex is by far the finest business aircraft. I do like the G-V but the 900ex has a better cabin. The 7x is why Gulfstream is getting into the midsize (G150 G200) market. The G's are losing market share to the Falcons.

Stand up and move slowly away from the crack pipe.

SS

 

[gunfyter]

I hear we will be replacing all the Gulfstream IV and V's with the 7X

 

[TCA]

That is correct...and as soon as you get the G4's,G5's and 400's....you can replace them.

I am surprised somebody figured it out....its so simple!

 

[GEXDriver]

I use to think the same thing about Gulfstream being the world's finest. Then I moved over to the Falcons. The Falcon 900ex is by far the finest business aircraft. I do like the G-V but the 900ex has a better cabin. The 7x is why Gulfstream is getting into the midsize (G150 G200) market. The G's are losing market share to the Falcons.

We have both brands in our flight department and the Gulfstream is superior in performance, reliability, range, support, and comfort.

 

[GVFlyer]

...Gulfstream has a name associated with a high end product. They build the world’s finest long range, stand up cabin private/business aircraft in the world, period. And that’s a given, no one argues this. It is the Bentley, the Mercedes Benz, the Rolls Royce (really, the engines are RR) of the airplane industry...


I use to think the same thing about Gulfstream being the world's finest. Then I moved over to the Falcons. The Falcon 900ex is by far the finest business aircraft. I do like the G-V but the 900ex has a better cabin. The 7x is why Gulfstream is getting into the midsize (G150 G200) market. The G's are losing market share to the Falcons.

Your post is wrong on so many levels and the aircraft you attempt to compare so inappropriate, that it makes me wonder if you are even a pilot at all.

The Gulfstream G550/GV is an Ultra-Long-Range Aircraft with interior dimensions of 50'1" L x 6'2" H x 7'4" W for a Cabin Volume of 1,669 cubic feet and 226 cu.ft. of baggage space. The G550's range is nearly 60% greater than that of the F900EX and almost 20% greater than that of the Falcon 7X.

The Dassault Falcon F900EX is a Large-Cabin Aircraft with interior dimensions of 39'0" L x 6'2" H x 7'8" W for a Cabin Volume of 1,267 cu. ft. and 127 cu. ft. of baggage space.

The Falcon 7X is not a Mid-Size Cabin Aircraft. It is an Ultra-Long-Range Aircraft with a 6 foot longer cabin than the F900EX (other interior dimensions are the same). At it's $39.4 million price point, it competes not with the $21 million G200 or the $13.5 million G150, but with the $38 million Gulfstream G500 and the $35 million Bombardier G5000.

Dassault Falcon is losing their already paltry market share to Gulfstream. In order to meet the demands of their ever increasing order book, Gulfstream announced on Monday a $300 million, 7 year expansion of it's manufacturing and service facilities at Savannah, GA. As a result of the expansion, Gulfstream will increase it's workforce by 25%. Gulfstream enjoyed a 12% increase in aircraft production last year and still was unable to meet market demands.

Ok, now back to your regularly scheduled NJI Bashing.


GV









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[gutshotdraw]

My crystal ball says that NJI will become 1108. Something tells me 2500+ guys are going to see that the promise comes to be.

Ghostrider,

I hocked my crystal ball last fall. However. I felt as you do until about a month ago. The more I read (especially the NMB decision regarding Uncle Hulas' airline), and the more I analyze the moves being made by management and the political landscape that will affect the NMB, the more convinced I am that the company will win the petition battle. At the very least, the fight will be extremely expensive and will drain 1108 resources that it will need for the next contract negotiation which should begin shortly after petition is filed.

As to RTS reneging on the contract vis-a-vis NJI, none of us down south have heard anything like that. Each aircraft delivery requires five new pilots. According to the LOU, two of them must come from NJA. One will be paid as a Captain, one as an F/O. The next aircraft delivery is in June. We have been told two NJA pilots will be among the five in G-IV school in either late April or early May. Wolfpack may have been somewhat flippant, but if any here have heard anything different, it's news to us.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Your post is wrong on so many levels and the aircraft you attempt to compare so inappropriate, that it makes me wonder if you are even a pilot at all.

GV

Well now we know the "G" stands for GEEK.


BTW, that extra 4" in Falcon width is noticeable when you're looking down the length of a long pneumatic tube

 

[Muddauber]

Your post is wrong on so many levels and the aircraft you attempt to compare so inappropriate, that it makes me wonder if you are even a pilot at all.

GV

Ahhhh, rampant intellectualism raises it's ugly head on FlightInfo.com.

Good post, GV, combating ignorance with facts.

You wonder what wheeler was thinking when he made his post. It reminds me of the saying, "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits".


Muddy

 

[GVFlyer]

Well now we know the "G" stands for GEEK.


BTW, that extra 4" in Falcon width is noticeable when you're looking down the length of a long pneumatic tube

Okay, you got me figured out. What a withering response. You work that out all by yourself? I'm devastated. Most people would think that the G in GVFlyer would stand for Gulfstream, like in, well... Gulfstream V, but you had the keen insight to see what it really stands for.

You must be a Democrat. You use their tactics: resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks but hate the facts and avoid them at all costs.

...and I can see from your post that you're one of those guys that thinks 4 inches is a big deal.


GV

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Okay, you got me figured out. What a withering response. You work that out all by yourself? I'm devastated. Most people would think that the G in GVFlyer would stand for Gulfstream, like in, well... Gulfstream V, but you had the keen insight to see what it really stands for.

You must be a Democrat. You use their tactics: resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks but hate the facts and avoid them at all costs.

...and I can see from your post that you're one of those guys that thinks 4 inches is a big deal.


GV

Curious, do you get paid everytime you drop the word GUUULFFSSTREEEM? You would be easy to spot anywhere. Your family and friends, and people who just met you, probably are sick beyond belief hearing you drop your G word in every conversation. I would imagine the time it takes from meeting you before you share that your a G-string pilot is about as short as, well as your own personal physical short commings.

Let me share with you what most of us on this board could work out for ourselves. You probably got a nasty comb over or toupee. If you are married, she probably is wider than taller. Your car is either a Camaro or the more exotic version, Corvette (Sam Malone would be proud of you!). You carry a photo of you and your G-string for all people to see at social gatherings. You're jealous you don't have a uniform, so that you could where it on your days off to dinner and grocery shopping. You don't upset the majority of pilots, you just get our pitty.

Regarding the four inches, when you don't have it, my four inches looks like alot.

 

[SkyGirl]

Regarding the four inches, when you don't have it, my four inches looks like alot.

From the lenght of the response (as opposed to anything else), I'd say you struck a nerve, GV.

Do you think it's G'nis Envy? Sorry, couldn't resist.

_SkyGirl_

 

[wolfpackpilot]

it shows your integrity.

BTW, I hear your interview process involves xxxxxxxxxxxxx the chief pilot.

And having a moderator edit your tasteless post clearly shows your integrity. This whole thread reminds me of the MTV show “Celebrity Death Match”. It makes no sense.

I will say this; I don’t understand the envy and negative comments over the guys who fly Gulfstreams. I never got to fly F-14’s off a Nimitz Class Carrier, but I sure don’t hate the guys who did.

You guys sound like the RJ pilots I worked with whining and moaning over main line pilots flying 777’s. Yet everyone I knew wanted to get in one. Think about it.

 

[RTRHD]

Ok, now back to your regularly scheduled NJI Bashing.


GV~

You guys are really killing me.:laugh:

 

[BrnJetFuel]

I don’t understand the envy and negative comments over the guys who fly Gulfstreams.

If you were paying attention you would realize that there is neither envy or negative comments to those who fly GStrings simply because they fly that particular brand. It's the few asses who rear their heads up at any opportunity to tell the world that they fly those airplanes. Wouldn't say there is more of them in the Gstring, just that they're more obscene. I prefer my Falcon, big deal. I occasionally talk about it because it's my job. Unlike some of the Gstring drivers on this board that preach it like it's their life. Quite sad, honestly. It's just entertaining to hold the mirror up to them occasionally.

 

[GEXDriver]

Curious, do you get paid everytime you drop the word GUUULFFSSTREEEM? You would be easy to spot anywhere. Your family and friends, and people who just met you, probably are sick beyond belief hearing you drop your G word in every conversation. I would imagine the time it takes from meeting you before you share that your a G-string pilot is about as short as, well as your own personal physical short commings.

Let me share with you what most of us on this board could work out for ourselves. You probably got a nasty comb over or toupee. If you are married, she probably is wider than taller. Your car is either a Camaro or the more exotic version, Corvette (Sam Malone would be proud of you!). You carry a photo of you and your G-string for all people to see at social gatherings. You're jealous you don't have a uniform, so that you could where it on your days off to dinner and grocery shopping. You don't upset the majority of pilots, you just get our pitty.

Wrong on all counts, sport. GVFlyer is a pretty well known Gulfstream test pilot in the Gulfstream community. It's mainly because he used to MC the Aviation Managers and Pilot's Seminar at Gulfstream Workshop and make presentations for the factory at FSI Gulfstream Initial courses. But also, a lot of pilots know him because he flew completion flights with them or delivered their airplanes then stuck around to train them.

He's a six footer who lives at the gym. Until he married a significantly younger blonde Gulfstream exec, he had a rep as somewhat of a player around Gulfstream and Savannah FSI. His wife was used as a cabin stuffer in Gulfstream brochures so if you know where to look you can see a picture of her.

His standing up for Gulfstreams is pretty much like you backing NetJets or 1108 or whatever it is that you stand for. Give the guy a break.






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[wheeler]

[quote=GVFlyer]Your post is wrong on so many levels and the aircraft you attempt to compare so inappropriate, that it makes me wonder if you are even a pilot at all.



The guy in the back writes the check and he say's he likes the cabin better than the cigar tude of the G's. I also like the Falcon alittle better. We don't always need to go 6500nm none stop so the 900ex fits the bill. If and when we do need the range, we use our Netjets share of the G5. As soon as Netjets gets the 7X we will drop the G5 and pick up the 7X. The boss likes the cabin and he writes the check.

Also Mr Moss is the one that said getting into the midsize planes (G150 G200) was to try and gain market share in the hopes of up grading owners later into a real Gulfstream.

 

[realityman]

Eh.

I've flown G's. Got about 600 hours in em. You won't see it in my list of types because at my last company I was an F/O on the G-plane and they didn't type F/O's.

Anyway, it was a nice enough plane. Very comfortable. Pax liked it a lot. Not too terribly exciting or challenging to fly though. Got to some interesting places in it.

I have NOT flown the Global Express, but I've been in it, so I can't comment on it's flight characteristics, but I think from a cabin comfort/range/speed/and size point of view, it's a much nicer plane than the GV.

Who flies the better plane is subjective. Most folks really like the plane they're currently in. Personally, I really enjoy the Citation X, my current steed of choice. but maybe that's because just when I'm getting tired from flying too much it rewards me with a trip to the service center.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Wrong on all counts, sport. GVFlyer is a pretty well known Gulfstream test pilot in the Gulfstream community. It's mainly because he used to MC the Aviation Managers and Pilot's Seminar at Gulfstream Workshop and make presentations for the factory at FSI Gulfstream Initial courses. But also, a lot of pilots know him because flew completion flights with them or delivered their airplanes then stuck around to train them.

He's a six footer who lives at the gym. Until he married a significantly younger blonde Gulfstream exec, he had a rep as somewhat of a player around Gulfstream and Savannah FSI. His wife was used as a cabin stuffer in Gulfstream brochures so if you know where to look you can see a picture of her.

His standing up for Gulfstreams is pretty much like you backing NetJets or 1108 or whatever it is that you stand for. Give the guy a break.
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So let me get this straight. The guy who has nothing to do with this fractional thread not only eats, sleeps, and breaths the almighty GString, his family does too? Not many people really care, except perhaps you and associated Share holders. Hopefully he's getting a cut of the advertising expenses. Wish these types would go peddle their products somewhere else. RTS already knows about the Gstring and has made his purchases. Now it looks like he's going to fill the stables with a more qualified competitor. Let's leave it at that.

 

[NJAFracPilot]

You must be a Democrat. You use their tactics: resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks but hate the facts and avoid them at all costs.

GV

Gotta love it...

 

[buttercup]

Okay, you got me figured out. What a withering response. You work that out all by yourself? I'm devastated. Most people would think that the G in GVFlyer would stand for Gulfstream, like in, well... Gulfstream V, but you had the keen insight to see what it really stands for.

You must be a Democrat. You use their tactics: resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks but hate the facts and avoid them at all costs.

...and I can see from your post that you're one of those guys that thinks 4 inches is a big deal.


GV

I really like that part about "must be a Democrat". You must be a Republican , you whine like a little bitc*. You also talk a big game as long as someone elses as@ is on the line and you're not doing the fighting. Look no further than the broader based pilot demographic who happen to mostly be Republican to find the their true colors. Keep whoring them selves out for lower wages, never stand up for themselves, talk a big game and then sell out on themselves and their fellow aviators via way of agreement to concessionary contracts, and always look out for number one.

 

[SeaSpray]

You must be a Democrat. You use their tactics: resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks but hate the facts and avoid them at all costs.


GV

I like it! Succinct and deadly accurate.


SS

 

[SeaSpray]

Eh.

I have NOT flown the Global Express, but I've been in it, so I can't comment on it's flight characteristics, but I think from a cabin comfort/range/speed/and size point of view, it's a much nicer plane than the GV.

The Global XRS can't compete with the Gulfstream G550 in range or speed and the cockpit, with it's tiny 8" displays, is Medieval compared to the G's PlaneView.

SS