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rajflyboy said:
there you go confusing threats with facts again

51% get the pilot group a yes vote and you boys don't have it
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if I represent myself, and you represent yourself, then 100% of your and my choices are presented to the company. Much better than a union, in my opinion.
 
G4dude said:
The previous administrator changed things, limiting our investment choices. That's is why the change was made to Schwab.
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It would have taken 15 minutes to involve the union as contractually agreed to legally make the change. Now it's going to cost them some $$$ for being stupid.
 
G4dude said:
The previous administrator changed things, limiting our investment choices. That's is why the change was made to Schwab.
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That doesn't matter. The contract is very specific:

The Company will maintain its 401(k) Plan for unionized crewmem- bers. The Company and the Union may change the Plan during the term of this Agreement by mutual consent, but no change will result in lesser benefits than those in existence at the time this Agreement is made.
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No mutual consent was reached, nor even sought. If Fidelity no longer offered the current plan, then the new one must be a mutual decision, not a unilateral one.

This is but one of many situations where the company has flatly disregarded the contract it signed with its pilots.
 
CA1900 said:
That doesn't matter. The contract is very specific:

No mutual consent was reached, nor even sought. If Fidelity no longer offered the current plan, then the new one must be a mutual decision, not a unilateral one.

This is but one of many situations where the company has flatly disregarded the contract it signed with its pilots.
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And to add to this, did anyone ask why fidelity decided to change their options? I guarantee they would've given us the same options if management was willing to pay. I don't know if fidelity asked for more or if the company asked for a reduction in price (like they did with everyone else), or even if the company was lying about it all together. All I know for sure is that the company broke the contract and that this is but 1 of over 60 recent instances of their actions in willfully breaking the contract. They are actively attacking us and it's time to actively discourage this behavior. I just can't see how anyone can say they are not actively taking concessions and actively trying to bust the union. These actions aren't just harmful to those who want to be in the union they are taking away from all of us- former NJI included.
 
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jtf said:
And to add to this, did anyone ask why fidelity decided to change their options? I guarantee they would've given us the same options if management was willing to pay. I don't know if fidelity asked for more or if the company asked for a reduction in price (like they did with everyone else), or even if the company was lying about it all together. All I know for sure is that the company broke the contract and that this is but 1 of over 60 recent instances of their actions in willfully breaking the contract. They are actively attacking us and it's time to actively discourage this behavior. I just can't see how anyone can say they are not actively taking concessions and actively trying to bust the union. These actions aren't just harmful to those who want to be in the union they are taking away from all of us- former NJI included.
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I didn't even know this was an issue among the crews until I read it yesterday on this site. Do y'all ever enjoy the blue sky and the travel and the fact we have a job and the companionship of the crews? Or do you incessantly parse the contract? I know the answer to that, the question is rhetorical.
 
CA1900 said:
That doesn't matter. The contract is very specific:

No mutual consent was reached, nor even sought. If Fidelity no longer offered the current plan, then the new one must be a mutual decision, not a unilateral one.

This is but one of many situations where the company has flatly disregarded the contract it signed with its pilots.
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Boy, Luthi has gotten the Sheep ALL stirred up over this stuff. Pathetic.
 
G4dude said:
Boy, Luthi has gotten the Sheep ALL stirred up over this stuff. Pathetic.
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He has nothing to do with it. I was stirred up about this the minute the company announced it.

G4dude said:
I didn't even know this was an issue among the crews until I read it yesterday on this site. Do y'all ever enjoy the blue sky and the travel and the fact we have a job and the companionship of the crews?
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Of course I enjoy all of that when I'm at work. But make no mistake, this is how I make my living. Blue sky and travel don't pay my bills, and companionship doesn't fund my retirement.
 
CA1900 said:
He has nothing to do with it. I was stirred up about this the minute the company announced it.



Of course I enjoy all of that when I'm at work. But make no mistake, this is how I make my living. Blue sky and travel don't pay my bills, and companionship doesn't fund my retirement.
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if NJA gets priced out of the marketplace, you won't be able to pay your bills and fund your retirement, it seems to me. Unions create the sclerotic businesses they then blame management for.
 
Posted by me: So you are OK with unilateral changes to your hard earned money without your agreed upon say in the matter?
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Response by G4: Yes. It seems small beer compared to how good the job is.
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Really? What more can be said? You can lead a pilot to the promised land but you can't make him think...

BTW...I've immortalized your quote below...I have to say that is a classic! Scope...It ain't your daddy's mouthwash...
 
G4dude said:
if I represent myself, and you represent yourself, then 100% of your and my choices are presented to the company. Much better than a union, in my opinion.
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You said it right here. This is the problem with your philosophy. and you are dumb enough to come on here and say this crap
 
"Yes. It seems small beer compared to how good the job is."

Does he really not understand that many of the things that make the job good for him cost the company money? They would cut those costs in a heartbeat if they could. If the majority were like G4, it would not be such a good job.
Helm (one of the 495)
 
Starting with the 401(k) match altogether, just like the company did with the non-union employees.
 
I have to admit, this is a lively conversation. Which is good. I would like to point out, in the US union membership is VERY low, especially among non government workers. The reason is, Americans don't like unions and their philosophy of envy and zero sum thinking and coercion and intimidation and groupthink.
 
fischman said:
Because you are being paid to be.
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+1

Someone is not getting their money's worth in my opinion.

He's going to have to "step up" the sophistication of his tactics if he hopes to convince a modicum of our membership to abandon our union.
 

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