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Was being curious and poked around the NJA FEB seniority list. Got to wondering if Luthi still flew there for obvious reasons. Not only is he still there, he's on the 18 day......

It's nice to know that even the former head of the Union, who stated the Unions job isn't done until every furloughed pilot has a chance to return, opted for the 18 day.....

We all know it really won't matter (according to the Union's past rhetoric, and now most certainly considering the amount of time that has passed) but it still is somewhat interesting none the less.....
 
Speaks volumes, doesn't it?





BTW, I will NEVER bid the 18 day.
 
gutshotdraw said:
Speaks volumes, doesn't it?





BTW, I will NEVER bid the 18 day.
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My stance on the 18 day was that there are those that really need it... The typical SIC's with families to feed. PIC's with circumstances where $150K isn't enough etc etc....

But for some reason I think Luthi's position allowed a certain level of "enhancements" to his monthly take home while Pres....And we all know DAY is not a very expensive place to live.

Either way, yes it speaks volumes. And glad I'm no longer part of that mess.
 
gunfyter said:
If you go into training you go onto the 18 day schedule ... I wonder if he had to requal?
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That's what I'm wondering. Since he wouldn't have had a 7/7 line until the next bid period he'd have been on it even without going to school.

I would bet he has a target the size of Detroit on his back.

BTW. Anyone ever email the new president? Anyone get a response?
 
Thats true ... and the sched bid closes soon but you can't bump anyone off their 7&7 line... It may be he stays on 18 until the flush bid

Personally, I think that schedule is bad for your health... I lost 42 lbs since I got off that schedule ... I will live longer and maybe work a couple years longer and make up the cash I am giving up.
 
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imacdog said:
The 18 is definitely not the schedule for decent QOL.
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You know they want ALL the FA's on the 18 day in the next contract, right? I wouldn't be shocked if that is in the pilot contract opener as well, or at least a huge increase in the REQUIRED participation rate on the 18 day with junior-manning as necessary. Just another in the list of deal-breaker points for me come voting time.
 
gutshotdraw said:
You know they want ALL the FA's on the 18 day in the next contract, right? I wouldn't be shocked if that is in the pilot contract opener as well, or at least a huge increase in the REQUIRED participation rate on the 18 day with junior-manning as necessary. Just another in the list of deal-breaker points for me come voting time.
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18 OK ... Just as long as we get one vacation per month .... :beer:
 
Has the union EVER contacted ALL of the 495 and asked, "All else being equal, would you accept recall to NJA if offered?"

I'd be shocked if the number hit triple digits. Might prove to be an interesting bit of information for the NC to have in their pocket come May.
 
gutshotdraw said:
Has the union EVER contacted ALL of the 495 and asked, "All else being equal, would you accept recall to NJA if offered?"

I'd be shocked if the number hit triple digits. Might prove to be an interesting bit of information for the NC to have in their pocket come May.
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I know 4 at USA Jet that would accept recall on a minute's notice.
 
Seems this type of information would be more useful to the company (understanding staffing levels and future needs etc...)

If anyone was interested in this particular metric, it would be someone from that side of the fence.

Informally, I can say all 6 of my friends I wrote letters of Rec for who were hired then eventually furloughed have found good places to hang their headsets.

Two of them will never return but the other four said their decision would hinge on what is agreed upon in the next contract fwiw....
 
pilotyip said:
I know 4 at USA Jet that would accept recall on a minute's notice.
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Given the current state of affairs at NJ, that says something about your little operation Yip....

And it ain't good.
 
gutshotdraw said:
Given the current state of affairs at NJ, that says something about your little operation Yip....

And it ain't good.
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Ain't my operation I am only a messenger, and your not telling me anything I am not aware of. But NJ likes our guys and has hired over guys 30 from us over the years. The comment was a counter to all the posts of "Why would anyone want to come back to NJ?" My post was to name a few guys that think NJ is a great job.
 
I think it is safe to say that what NetJets was and has now become are vastly different. It wouldn't take long to see the changes upon returning.
 
I'd go back. I don't know how long I would stay though. I don't trust the union or the company and I'm pissed at both. I'd probably get recalled when I was at the top of the payscale with no upgrade in sight.

It still beats what I'm doing now, but I'd probably let NJA pay for another type, get current and run.

Unless there's some movement and I'd see an upgrade before my 60th birthday. Not likely for someone my age and seniority.
 
OPECJet said:
I'd go back. I don't know how long I would stay though. I don't trust the union or the company and I'm pissed at both. I'd probably get recalled when I was at the top of the payscale with no upgrade in sight.

It still beats what I'm doing now, but I'd probably let NJA pay for another type, get current and run.

Unless there's some movement and I'd see an upgrade before my 60th birthday. Not likely for someone my age and seniority.
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If the airlines hire a lot, you will be recalled I hope.
 
Would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath. I think most of us expect our recall rights and or longevity to be sold down the river. Several of us have posted that concern on our kiddie corner of the NJASAP message board and at the present time we have one, yep, one officer who takes the time to engage us. It's an unenviable position he's put himself in as he catches a lot of flak, yet continues to do his best to keep us in the loop.

The rest of the officers are nowhere to be seen. One of the new officers hired many of us, but again, nowhere to be seen. The newly elected president does not return our emails. It is steamingly obvious we are peons to the union. The company already acknowledged that fact by even refusing to let CPs write letters on our behalf at the time of the furlough. At least one furloughed pilot missed a job because the prospective employer required a letter from his previous supervisor.

I will throw them a bone in that they continued to keep us on the email distro list for company updates until the crew website came online. Of course when it comes time to retrieve a password you have to go through labor relations to do it.. They also emailed all of us when they were contacted about a position witha Columbus area company who asked them to send it to the furloughed pilots. That was appreciated.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the company doesn't want us back. We're expensive when compared to a newhire. We're also pissed. Things could have been done to keep that from happening, and it isn't too late, but it requires effort neither side appears willing to make. The union is going to protect pilots currently on the property. If that means sacrificing us, they'll do it.
 
Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.
 
nordo_2 said:
Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.
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NJA had their 2 years as the place to be...


Given the state of retirements in the 121 Legacy world vs. the long term options with NJA, any one of the Legacies would be a move in a better direction. The majors are vastly superior in pay, career expectations, and schedule. The one and only advantage NJA will always(?) hold is homebasing.

If you can live in base or have an easy commute, going with a Major is the best bet IMO. 2nd year pay is typically more than any SIC at NJA will see at the top of the pay scale. Many of the Majors top end SIC pay is on par with NJA Captains pay....

After a 5-8+ year furlough from NJA, and given all the BS that has gone on there, I cannot see most being completely happy upon returning. Unless there are just no other options.
 
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BentOver said:
NJA had their 2 years as the place to be...


Given the state of retirements in the 121 Legacy world vs. the long term options with NJA, any one of the Legacies would be a move in a better direction. The majors are vastly superior in pay, career expectations, and schedule. The one and only advantage NJA will always(?) hold is homebasing.

If you can live in base or have an easy commute, going with a Major is the best bet IMO. 2nd year pay is typically more than any SIC at NJA will see at the top of the pay scale. Many of the Majors top end SIC pay is on par with NJA Captains pay....

After a 5-8+ year furlough from NJA, and given all the BS that has gone on there, I cannot see most being completely happy upon returning. Unless there are just no other options.
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ditto, and going now before hiring really picks up in 2015/16 range and getting a lot of numbers under you would give you job security not found in many other flying jobs.

I look a two of my friends, one hired a AAL in 1985, made CA in 6 years never furloughed, stayed in left his entire career, the other hired was USAirways in 1989, furloughed 3 times, may never make CA before hitting age 65.
 
nordo_2 said:
Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.
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I've thought about that a lot lately. I'd end up commuting, but a one leg commute at a major would be a cakewalk compared to the two leg I had at a regional.

It would probably be an uphill battle, but I won't say it couldn't happen. I haven't flown in three years, have to jump through a couple of hoops to get a medical and don't have any turbine PIC. In the past that was close to a deal breaker but I know times are changing.
 
FLYLOW22 said:
Yes. Profitable.
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For who? Means nothing to a furlough, or stagnated SIC. NJ may maintain it self. Great, if you have a three-digit seniority number. NJ’s business model is a bust, for those us that bought the 5000, or so pilot group.

The Legacies are a better bet, for a better career.
 
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pilotyip said:
ditto, and going now before hiring really picks up in 2015/16 range and getting a lot of numbers under you would give you job security not found in many other flying jobs.

I look a two of my friends, one hired a AAL in 1985, made CA in 6 years never furloughed, stayed in left his entire career, the other hired was USAirways in 1989, furloughed 3 times, may never make CA before hitting age 65.
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Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...
 
BentOver said:
Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...
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I agree. I think we are gonna lose some captains too. And I'm the biggest Koolaid drinker at NJA.
 
BentOver said:
Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...
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I think if I get an offer from UAL or AAL I'm pretty sure it would be a very serious discussion at the dinner table with the wife. I think the future is bright ultimately for Netjets, but I'm running out of patience.
 

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