NJ Recalls

[Praetorian]

In a couple more years, when the contract is hopefully signed, a 20% raise will be right back where it was in 2007 thanks to inflation. Anything less than a 20% raise is already a pay cut. That's something people need to consider when evaluating contract proposals.

Don't you guys have COL increases that continue to kick in annually, even though the 07 agreement is amendable? I'm guessing 3.5% per year.

 

[CA1900]

No. The payscale increments per year of service, but that's it. It also tops out at the 10th year of service for FOs, meaning they'll all be pay-frozen within two years. (Newest FO still working was hired in 2006.)

 

[johnsonrod]

Slightly off topic - as the Phenom 300s come onboard, from which fleet(s) will they be drawing their pilots? Are they replacing the 400As and Encores one-for-one and gaining their pilots in the process?

 

[OPECJet]

Speaking of recalls: Current NJA pilots, please reference 1.5(C)(4) Subcontracting (Sell offs) During Periods of Furloughs/ Downgrades in the CBA and decide how many sell off days the company is allowed in your opinion. The number "11" popped into your head from reading the question, but please go look at the language as it is written.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Speaking of recalls: Current NJA pilots, please reference 1.5(C)(4) Subcontracting (Sell offs) During Periods of Furloughs/ Downgrades in the CBA and decide how many sell off days the company is allowed in your opinion. The number "11" popped into your head from reading the question, but please go look at the language as it is written.

It's plain language to me.

Why now tell us your opinion of what it says?

 

[OPECJet]

It's plain language to me.

Why now tell us your opinion of what it says?

Appears to me recalls must occur if the company sells off any flights while pilots are furloughed or downgraded. Dead issue at this point however.

 

[dudemize]

From what I hear of the current lifestyle on the road at NJA, there is no amount of money that would get me to return. Not worth it.

I'm much more interested in QOL issues than pure compensation at this point.

 

[DC-4]

While I agree to a point about the lifestyle point. However what if your at a crappy job working your ass off, maybe NJA is still better for some. I think the issue that is being brought up is that we have been told over and over again that after 11 days of selloffs then that triggers recalls. The problem is that in that section of the CBA it says that the company is alowed zero 0 percent selloffs during a period of fuloughes and downgrades provided the company can selloff flights a maximum of 11 days per quarter. The union and company say this means after 11 days then recalls happen, and the company can selloff as many days as they want but after 11 they have to recall.

I guess zero percent and maximum do not matter in the world of NJA or NJASAP. At least I now know why DS wanted the section gone so bad.

 

[dudemize]

While I agree to a point about the lifestyle point. However what if your at a crappy job working your ass off, maybe NJA is still better for some. I think the issue that is being brought up is that we have been told over and over again that after 11 days of selloffs then that triggers recalls. The problem is that in that section of the CBA it says that the company is alowed zero 0 percent selloffs during a period of fuloughes and downgrades provided the company can selloff flights a maximum of 11 days per quarter. The union and company say this means after 11 days then recalls happen, and the company can selloff as many days as they want but after 11 they have to recall.

I guess zero percent and maximum do not matter in the world of NJA or NJASAP. At least I now know why DS wanted the section gone so bad.

1.5(C)(4) is horribly worded. Saying zero percent sell-offs are allowed and then in the next sentence saying they can sell-off unlimited flights up to 11 days per quarter makes no sense. If they can sell-off as many flight as they want on up to 11 days, doesn't that mean, by definition, that they are allowed more than zero percent sell-offs?

I agree that the company wants these pesky restrictions removed. They have no intent to recall or they would have done so by now seeing that it takes months to get someone trained up and ready to fly.

 

[G4dude]

1.5(C)(4) is horribly worded. Saying zero percent sell-offs are allowed and then in the next sentence saying they can sell-off unlimited flights up to 11 days per quarter makes no sense. If they can sell-off as many flight as they want on up to 11 days, doesn't that mean, by definition, that they are allowed more than zero percent sell-offs?

I agree that the company wants these pesky restrictions removed. They have no intent to recall or they would have done so by now seeing that it takes months to get someone trained up and ready to fly.

Certainly no recalls until the economy grows faster and NJA follows suit, I guess.