News Flash For Those SkedPlus Lovers...

[SkyNation]

OO pilot

thanks for the post. I appreciate the candor without the ever increasing levels of do.uchebaggery propagated by so many here.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

amcnd,

all you care about is your quick upgrade. even though you have experience under an ALPA regime, your thoughts and opinions don't count, because you don't see the whole picture. wait 'til you've been here for a few years, then you'll be as crusty, cranky, leftist, anti-capitalist as the rest of us.

Whaaa?
I thought you would have had your AIDS diagnosed by now, or at the very least a$$ cancer.
Go away!
PBR

 

[obadie]

I volunteered to sit reserve the other day when we were 'below min staffing' and they said they were fine on reserves...WTF?

The red arrow only means below mins for that domicile. If they were below mins company wide then they probably would of taken your offer.

 

[SkyNation]

or take a better contract with some quality of life benefits, a 5% raise, plus Cola at a minimum of 1% a year and invest at a 5% return and have a million. I don't understand why people don't believe that skywest could score an industry leading contract. we have the money. I think a guy named Brad got 10 million last year? It is worth a try people. worse comes to worse, when we vote ALPA in we have our current contract locked in immediatly until a new TA can be voted on.

are you on the OC? are you promising a 5% raise if it's voted in? are you promising a 1%COLA? are you promising that ALPA will somehow FORCE Brad and the company into sharing more of the pie? how long until we get these things?

the problem is we can't 'just vote it in and see what happens.' there is no trial period, no money back if not satisfied.

I'll bet that when we do get a contract (years away, and of course NOTHING will change in the interim, except we'll pay dues) that it'll be less than what we have now in some areas, more in others, but overall a worse deal. and the OC crowd will say 'hey, it's our first one. we'll iron out the rough spots next time.'

 

[Beergut]

All of you anti-ALPA guys think about this: Jerry ain't gonna be there forever. One day he's going to take his millions and retire and leave all of the headaches to someone else. The next guy could be an A#1 sphinctor. Then what are you going to do?

 

[SkyNation]

Jerry already has very little to do with the day to day operations. anyone in SGU will tell you that they see him less and less often, and that has been the case for a number of years. He groomed RR to run the show. Now that he is gone, it already is the higher ups that are running the show. Has been for awhile.

JO at Mesa is an A#1 sphincter. They've had ALPA for a long time. what are they doing about him?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Jerry already has very little to do with the day to day operations. anyone in SGU will tell you that they see him less and less often, and that has been the case for a number of years. He groomed RR to run the show. Now that he is gone, it already is the higher ups that are running the show. Has been for awhile.

You seem to know a lot about what is going on in SGU. Hmmmm. Very interesting.

 

[BigLebowski]

Lots of negativity. For those of us that used to work at union carriers...we know exactly what ALPA will do for you; dittly.

Listen to people that came here from other ALPA carriers...we didnt' all get together one day and make up a bunch of bs stories.

For those of you that think this company will be better if ALPA comes here, I think you will be in for a bit of a suprise.

 

[SkyNation]

You seem to know a lot about what is going on in SGU. Hmmmm. Very interesting.

right. that's from people I've talked to who live there or work at HQ. I've never even been to HQ.

you seem to be very suspect of me. why is this? what diabolical plans do you think I have for this place?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

you seem to be very suspect of me. why is this? what diabolical plans do you think I have for this place?

I don't know. You seem to bash the ALPA drive quite a bit but yet don't seem to be able to produce a realistic alternative. It kind of reminds me of when I am talking to a member of management or certain SAPA reps. Should I be suspicious? Are you a SAPA rep?

 

[SkyNation]

Should I be suspicious? Are you a SAPA rep?

no.
no.

I want what is best for us, just like everyone else. where we differ is what 'best' is and how to attain that. I'm not a fan of ALPA, and somehow that has earned me the ire of many. so be it. I want to simply be able to compare my pay, QOL, and our companies present and future prospects with our competitors and be able to say that we are doing better and will remain doing so. how will ALPA help us do that? why do you think our management doesn't want them here, except for that it will cost them money, resources, and time, which could potentially cost them business? you don't buy the line that it's purely a pride issue, do you?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

What do you suggest is a realistic alternative to ALPA?

 

[120% Torque]

Lots of negativity. For those of us that used to work at union carriers...we know exactly what ALPA will do for you.

And we know what Sapa has done the last six years for us...

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=103812

Not much to lose when you see Sapa's track record of giving away work rules like candy the past six years, management being the benefactors. Pilots wanting to try something different, that can empower this pilot group should come as no surprise . With Sapa, its been a downward spiral. The only reason Skywest is anywhere near other regionals (middle of the pack) right now is because managment used to operate differently and were committed to looking at what other carriers had, putting skywest at the top of those other companies after they had negotiated it into their contracts. This attitude abruptly changed six years ago and skywest pilots have and currently are losing ground while other pilot groups are actively improving their position or at the very least, holding their ground. For those of you happy with sliding backward on your behinds then vote accordingly. For those of you who want the ability to stop the slide and start negotiating on an equal playing feild (something you haven't been able to do with Sapa for a very long time) vote before the polls close on Nov 6. If this vote fails I suspect it will be a very long time before there is another chance to improve your negotiating position. Choose wisely.

 

[Damich]

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[Skywest Pylot]

Good post 120. It's nice to see someone back up their argument with actual documentation. I wonder why the Anti-ALPA guys/gals don't do the same? I guess that says something about their argument.

To the fence sitters/new guys,

Might be a good idea to listen to this guy (120). What he is showing you here is legitimate.

A lot of this stuff was lost when SAPA conveniently reconfigured (erased) the SAPAforums. Looks like 120 was 1 step ahead of them.