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It is always the same.."why don't we cheat on our spouses". Or, I made this much $$
last month/year. You see LUV. I see shallow, frail, little men.
 
bluesideup1 said:
PLC here is your math:

100% of the AT pilot group is making more than when they were bought.

Every FO that crossed over to the Southwest side got a 40% to 50% pay raise the second they crossed on top of the pay raises that they got after the purchase. That is over half of your seniority list that got massive pay raises.

Every Captain that came over may or may not be making close to what they were making the last year but they are still making more than what they were before the acquisition.

The fact that 70% of the captains that came over can now hold captain here giving them an additional 35% pay raise over what they were making as a captain at AT.

With almost 90 percent of your workgroup making anywhere from 35% to 50% more here as SW than they were making at AT it is kind of hard to listen to you whine about "MATH" as the only thing that the SW pilots got was a lot more people who were a lot younger coming in above them and not a single stock option or pay raise to ease the pain.

Anyways the only math you need now is what the max tongue weight is for a double wide.
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Yawn.

I really don't like rehashing this stuff, but if you insist on revising history, expect someone to come along and set the record straight.

Even under our 2001 contract, I was making 154./hr, which is more than I'm making now, even without 14 years of inflation.

And, although you have conveniently forgotten it, the AirTran pilots voted down the $180./hr pay rates in a failed TA 7 years ago, the rates we were revisited upon us after the announcement; that's where they came from, they weren't just plucked out of the air.

Facts are stubborn things.....But they are what they are.

If you want to keep playing this game, the lack of unity it encourages wil likely bite you in the axx.

Lead the charge up the hill, but don't be surprised if you look back and see there are only a few loudmouths behind you. Most people, OSW and FAT have already grown up and moved on.
 
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If you think I posted something that wasn't true, and you actually have something factual to say, let's hear it.
 
You got a raise AFTER/and only because SWA bought your company....try comparing CA to CA rates at acquisition...you probably weren't even qualified to interview at SWA when I got hired...pompous blow hard prick...
 
Ty Webb said:
Yawn.

I really don't like rehashing this stuff, but if you insist on revising history, expect someone to come along and set the record straight.

Even under our 2001 contract, I was making 154./hr, which is more than I'm making now, even without 14 years of inflation.

And, although you have conveniently forgotten it, the AirTran pilots voted down the $180./hr pay rates in a failed TA 7 years ago, the rates we were revisited upon us after the announcement; that's where they came from, they weren't just plucked out of the air.

Facts are stubborn things.....But they are what they are.

If you want to keep playing this game, the lack of unity it encourages wil likely bite you in the axx.

Lead the charge up the hill, but don't be surprised if you look back and see there are only a few loudmouths behind you. Most people, OSW and FAT have already grown up and moved on.
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You seem to not understand what a fact is and base everything on what your personal situation is.

Because please show me exactly where I revised history.

Was it when I said that the F.O. got an immediate raise coming to SW? No that is very factual.

Was it when I said that you are making more now than before the purchase? No, once again pretty easy to compare pay rates.

Was it when I said that the vast majority of the Airtran pilots are making more once they transitioned or upgraded at SW? No, once again easily verifiable.

So the only thing that you are saying is that I revised history because I didn't include a pay rate in a contract that was never implemented? Should I also include the loss of pay from the pay rates that were never implemented when you voted down TA 1?

The simple fact is that the VAST MAJORITY OF AIRTRAN PILOTS ARE MAKING WAY MORE AT SOUTHWEST THAN THEY WERE AT airtran.
 
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madjack said:
You got a raise AFTER/and only because SWA bought your company....try comparing CA to CA rates at acquisition...you probably weren't even qualified to interview at SWA when I got hired...pompous blow hard prick...
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Who pissed in your cheerios. Wacky-Jack?

I was a 737CA in 2004. When were you hired?
 
bluesideup1 said:
You seem to not understand what a fact is and base everything on what your personal situation is.

Because please show me exactly where I revised history.
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You said:

"100% of the AT pilot group is making more than when they were bought."

Proven False.


You said:

"Was it when I said that you are making more now than before the purchase? No, once again pretty easy to compare pay rates.".

Again, False.

I was making $154. under our 2001 Contract. That is more than I am making here, even without inflation cutting it in half.

Give it a rest, Chief. You're starting to sound as crazy as Wacky-Jack.

:laugh:
 
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Grateful? Try looking in the mirror...and then pat yourself on the back...feel better? But the truth is you never would have gotten in the door on your own steam...and you know it...
 
HeyTy, find a small, but growing airline, get hired and then get acquired by DL and your dreams will finally come true...everyone will be happier...
 
madjack said:
Grateful? Try looking in the mirror...and then pat yourself on the back...feel better? But the truth is you never would have gotten in the door on your own steam...and you know it...
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You make me laugh, MJ. Think what you want. At least with your schedule and mine, we won't ever have to fly together.
 
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For all I know your great to fly with...as almost all FATs truly are...but forum regulars due tend to take the job and themselves too seriously....maybe you should step away from the keyboard...and engage humans face to face with your views on the integration and just how bad the FATs made out...I'm guessing it's a view most here don't share...
 
madjack said:
For all I know your great to fly with...as almost all FATs truly are...but forum regulars due tend to take the job and themselves too seriously....maybe you should step away from the keyboard...and engage humans face to face with your views on the integration and just how bad the FATs made out...I'm guessing it's a view most here don't share...
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If you want to think we are laughing with you not at you then, fine. The truth comes out after us Trannys' do the secret handshake and nod, check the corners for the Kulture Klub, then we usually giggle our azzes off at the funny things we see.
 
Back to the original topic.

A month at 380/TFP for a SW/CA is 72 Thousand Dollars (yes, 72k). I'm not sure that was possible at the Tran, but hey........it is now if your on this side of the fence and bid Captain. If not, the FO pay would be around 53k. I know, that's an outrage!

Carry on.
 
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If you want to use the term "outrage" effectively, you're going to have to don a tracksuit and some snazzy gold neckware....and a bad rug.... Just sayin.... ;)
 
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Nice TG reference but I prefer the SNL version...

The high total trip guy is a check airmen ...had one three day cancelled (with pay) and he had vacation...still wow
 
Ty Webb said:
You said:

"100% of the AT pilot group is making more than when they were bought."

Proven False.


You said:

"Was it when I said that you are making more now than before the purchase? No, once again pretty easy to compare pay rates.".

Again, False.

I was making $154. under our 2001 Contract. That is more than I am making here, even without inflation cutting it in half.

Give it a rest, Chief. You're starting to sound as crazy as Wacky-Jack.

:laugh:
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If you were making $154 under the 2001 contract which I believe was 12th or 15th year top out pay. That means you had at least 12 years before the purchase. That also means you should have no problem holding captain here which is a lot more than $154 an hour. So, unless you decided to stay FO for the quality of life? Then the math is stupid simple that you and everyone else is making more than when you were bought. Right?
 
bluesideup1 said:
If you were making $154 under the 2001 contract which I believe was 12th or 15th year top out pay. That means you had at least 12 years before the purchase. That also means you should have no problem holding captain here which is a lot more than $154 an hour. So, unless you decided to stay FO for the quality of life? Then the math is stupid simple that you and everyone else is making more than when you were bought. Right?
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As of about three months ago, I could hold CA in my base. When I decide to re-upgrade, yes, I will be making more, but commuting to reserve isn't worth it. Thankfully, I don't have three ex-wives to support. :D
 
Ty Webb said:
As of about three months ago, I could hold CA in my base. When I decide to re-upgrade, yes, I will be making more, but commuting to reserve isn't worth it. Thankfully, I don't have three ex-wives to support. :D
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So, once again it is about you and my statement stands correct.

Because if you chose to work less or not upgrade that is your own fault that you don't make more but simple math shows the difference in payscales shows that 100% of the airtran pilots make more here at SW than when airtran was first bought.

Here if this helps I will say 99.1% of the airtran pilots make more than when they were first bought with 100% of them having the ability to make more if they want.

I find it sad that you can't even accept that the VAST MAJORITY OF THE AIRTRAN PILOT GROUP HAS MADE ANYWHERE FROM 30% TO 50% MORE THAN THEY DID AT AIRTRAN.

You can't argue that as the FO's alone got about a 50% raise just coming over to Southwest. Yet you seem to try and find the less than 1% of the people making close to the same or slightly less and use them as an example of not getting a pay raise.

Eventually you will upgrade get another 35% pay raise followed shortly by another pay raise when the contract comes out. While the Southwest Pilot got nothing out of the acquisition but additional and younger people above them that were not there before.

I also find it humorous that you complain about pay yet are enjoying some of the best premium open time that I believe pays about $212 an hour which is once again a lot more than you were making before you got to SW. All the while forgoing the $203 an hour that you could be making as captain while getting weekends and holidays off.
 
Who cares? If pay was what really mattered, you would have been fighting for a pay raise during that ordeal rather than fighting to steal our seniority.
 
PCL_128 said:
Who cares? If pay was what really mattered, you would have been fighting for a pay raise during that ordeal rather than fighting to steal our seniority.
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Yep.

Blueside, you are wrong. There are plenty of guys making less, I am just one of them.

As PCL pointed out, the losses were not just financial; I lost my seat, my base, and a heck of a lot of pay over the last nine months.

I'm not b1tching about it, just trying to clear up some malingering misconceptions. If you want to keep posting about how we all made out like bandits, expect to hear the other side of it.
 
Ty Webb said:
Yep.

Blueside, you are wrong. There are plenty of guys making less, I am just one of them.

As PCL pointed out, the losses were not just financial; I lost my seat, my base, and a heck of a lot of pay over the last nine months.

I'm not b1tching about it, just trying to clear up some malingering misconceptions. If you want to keep posting about how we all made out like bandits, expect to hear the other side of it.
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Sure your not. Your Just letting everyone know you where a captain Like every post .
 
Fo's did not get a 50% pay pay raise "the second they crossed over." I'm on 9th year pay and my take home is on average 1,500 more a month. Now yes, that is more than I made at AirTran, and I do enjoy it, but just calling it what it is. You can spin numbers all day long, but I look at what goes in my wallet. The "we saved you" rhetoric is getting really old. You didn't do crap... You're a worker bee. The sooner everyone parks their ego and moves along, the better off this place will be.
 

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