*New Jetblue Pay Rates*

[clickclickboom]

First, I hope that they don't take your advise. Premium pay trip point should remain at 70 hours. The whole idea of premium pay is that it is an incentive to fly more hours and thus reduce the number of pilots needed to operate the airline.

Second, this saves the company a lot of money, and we should benefit from that savings. The concept regardless of what base pay is set at is still the same. The company saves money and we should get some of it.

Third, no one should have to work 95 hour or work to get 95 hours of credit to survivie. Using such a high comparision is just a manipulation to to make it look better than it is (with 75 hour premium vs current 70 hour point). It is just spin when you use number like this.

Fourth, eliminating the 13:30 type rigged trips, reduces pilot compensation per trip by several hundred dollars. The night rig only compensate less than 1 hour of premium pay, while the eliminatin of the 13:30 rig eliminates 1.5-2.5 hours of pay. Not balanced and an overall reduction in pay ($200-$400 worth per trip)!

FNG I agree with everything you said.. My example shows what a very senior FO at JB can accomplish.. I know that the 95 hr credit month i pull with 18 days off that there are 600 FO;s below me that can barely credit 80 15 days off..

thanks for your clarification..

ccBoom/ Top Gun

 

[FNG320]

FNG I agree with everything you said.. My example shows what a very senior FO at JB can accomplish.. I know that the 95 hr credit month i pull with 18 days off that there are 600 FO;s below me that can barely credit 80 15 days off..

thanks for your clarification..

ccBoom/ Top Gun

Not a problem. We all have our specific areas we like/dislike and what we can sustain in the way of productivity. I realize that there are the senior pilots in every seat/type that can bring down much better pay/credit that the 90-95% below them. We just need to make sure that we remember the majority of line holders, as well as reserves that have no chance at ever getting to that level of credit (most E190 pilots, all reserves, and the junior/bottom 50% of line holders in the A320). I realize that there are some changes to the work rules that will help some pairings (like the 6-8 hour two day trips), but in my emails with the PWC/PSC the majority of our pairing receive very little of the rig/protections and the overrides only add up to chump change and don't correct for the lost rigs or productivity.

By having a duty period rig vs a daily rig, this proposal actually screws the pilots even more by making/encouraging that every 3-4-5 day trip have a long lay over and reduce the number of duty periods to be equal to or less than the number of days in the trip. This prevents the rigs from tripping, it inceases TAFB (but not enough), and reduces the trips overall credit and productivity.

Good luck to us all, cause we are going to need it!!!!

Just my opinion......

FNG

 

[ualdriver]

Not surprisingly, less than 36 hours after the calculated "peer set" rates were made available to the pilot group, DB sends out the first of many "lowered expectations" e-mails.....

Do share! I bet I know the tune, but sometimes the lyrics are a little different....

 

[bluesideup340]

DB e-mail coincided with an investors meeting at UBS. It had/has nothing to do with the PVC report.

 

[Longhorn]

Good point about the UBS meeting. Very true but people will believe whatever they want to!! Sigh!!

 

[B6Busdriver]

DB e-mail coincided with an investors meeting at UBS. It had/has nothing to do with the PVC report.

Ahhh the management apologist has an excuse...what a suprise. It will be sad that sooo many will think a 8% pay raise is the greatest thing in the world.

What about scope?
Who has your back if you bend metal?
What about lack of health insurance afte 18 mos of LTD?

 

[Splert]

DB e-mail coincided with an investors meeting at UBS. It had/has nothing to do with the PVC report.

1). UBS Investor Presentation was on May 21 a Thursday.
2). The CBC report was emailed on May 25 a Tuesday.
3). 26 hours later...
4). Dave's Jet to the Point was emailed on May 26 a Wednesday.

 

[Splert]

Good point about the UBS meeting. Very true but people will believe whatever they want to!! Sigh!!

1). UBS Investor Presentation was on May 21 a Thursday.
2). The CBC report was emailed on May 25 a Tuesday.
3). 26 hours later...
4). Dave's Jet to the Point was emailed on May 26 a Wednesday.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Whispers are that the numbers are not close to the report. Speculation is 5% across the board raise. Further analysis later.

 

[Smoking Man]

Ahhh the management apologist has an excuse...what a suprise. It will be sad that sooo many will think a 8% pay raise is the greatest thing in the world.

What about scope?
Who has your back if you bend metal?
What about lack of health insurance afte 18 mos of LTD?

Blue side BOB would you answer the above? Or is this something else to ignore?

 

[a320drivr]

you stupid *************************ing BOB's and non voters!!!!

 

[B6Busdriver]

Blue side BOB would you answer the above? Or is this something else to ignore?

I guess he can't handle the truth!

 

[BrokeFOsho]

Even if Barger's company wide e-mail was coincidence, what does that say for his judgment? Personally, I don't believe in coincidence.

 

[Captain X]

There are "industry standard" trip and duty rigs?

I know there used to be circa mid-90's.

I'd like to see me some of that!

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Time will tell. But it does not look good. Those guys who put all the effort into the pay analysis did a great job.