New Hires at Jetblue.... please.........

[Flyby1206]

. Why would they do it now? They can just adjust the rate without becoming contractually obligated to another company.

How can jetblue adjust our rates downward? I only sign PEAs with pay raises, and I'm not willing to sign one with a pay cut.

 

[aircombat]

Scope relief is a grand conspiracy? Who can argue with someone with that core belief.

who can argue against that. I think it was pretty clear after the Comair strike. What was the solution? More regionals to limit their power. And then came alter egos to limit unions power even more. Do you think that's just a coincidence? no conspiracy, It's called business.

If the later statement is true I can only assume that the company already believes that a union is a sure thing. Otherwise those kind of threats will surely lead to a successful union drive. I wish I had faith that a union would prevent such an event but history dictates otherwise.

 

[aircombat]

How can jetblue adjust our rates downward? I only sign PEAs with pay raises, and I'm not willing to sign one with a pay cut.

I thought you said you have no protections. That sounds better then letting 50% of the voters decide if you should take a pay cut.

 

[Splert]

I wish I had faith that a union would prevent such an event but history dictates otherwise.

You mean pilots.

Your current agreement allows unlimited domestic codesharing on new routes. You really have no clue do you? This is without your evil ALPA.

 

[Flyby1206]

I thought you said you have no protections. That sounds better then letting 50% of the voters decide if you should take a pay cut.

No we dont have any protections. The company can just take the a/c and give them to an alter ego carrier. There is no negotiating, or compromise. Management holds all the cards and we take what they give.

 

[aircombat]

No we dont have any protections. The company can just take the a/c and give them to an alter ego carrier. There is no negotiating, or compromise. Management holds all the cards and we take what they give.

But they haven't and there is probably a reason for that. If you start this battle it could cause what you fear. Is that not a possibility?

 

[Flyby1206]

But they haven't and there is probably a reason for that. If you start this battle it could cause what you fear. Is that not a possibility?

I don't understand what you are implying but i dont want a battle. I wish the best of luck to you.

 

[aircombat]

I don't understand what you are implying but i dont want a battle. I wish the best of luck to you.

you too.

 

[Splert]

Why not until now?

Infrastructure.

 

[B6Busdriver]

SWA is the exception to the rule and that's why I would consider an in house union, even at a greater cost. I think it would be hard to see airbus to airbus comparison but it's all the other benefits that really add up and would only come by the subsidies provided by a regional. Closer expectations could be comparing JB to Airtran. They had ALPA. Why weren't they compensated like a legacy?

You really need to dig into the metrics. JetBlue pilots CASM used to only be 35% below industry average. With recent contract gains at unionized carriers that gap is increasing. Hawaiian, UAL,DAL pilots all make more then JetBlue pilots with better benefits. Alaska pilots have slightly better pay and much much better benefits then Blujet. Curiously enough the previous mentioned carriers are all represented by ALPA.

You really don't know what you don't know. Guys like you flame ALPA for everything. First I hear you regional pukes (I was one too) claim ALPA has a dictatorial relationship with those it represents and now you say it has not intervened enough. This is the thing with ALPA, you have representation yet you are granted autonomy.

If you work for JetBlue try and think about what is best for your fellow pilot not what happened at your fee for departure second tier airline. No voters not only hurt themselves but are a detriment to the industry as a whole.

 

[Splert]

More regionals to limit their power.

Regional airlines have no power and neither do Jetblue pilots.

The regional airline is a vendor and they get business by providing lower costs plus performance. Regional pilots do not stand there ground as a group because they want the heck out and will sell their sister for one more RJ to build PIC time to GTFO. There are less regional airlines now then there were in 2000.

Your job at ASA was because of Scope Relief. You may not have a career at Jetblue because we have very little scope and no alter ego protection and very little leverage. That is not ALPA fault. It is the Jetblue pilot groups. Jetblue pilots are the vendor with our PEA. Once we become too expensive the company may exercise the options they have preserved for the corporation. According to the company the 190 is already to expensive and if the pilot group wins 3A there is now way to separate the 190 from 3A and that aircraft IMO will start an to exit the fleet.

 

[sligo1]

But they haven't and there is probably a reason for that. If you start this battle it could cause what you fear. Is that not a possibility?

I don't think you are the one this thread is about. I was there as well and the person was an F.O. at ASA. It was a bad situation where booze and politics just don't mix. What I do remember is the person making comments like UAL and DL will be out of business due to their unsastanable business model. As far as Jetblue, any new hire has no right to comment on anything about the subject, til you give it time. Then if you still feel the same way thats fine, you have that right and should be respected for your views. As far as going to CP well they found out somehow and confronted said pilot, with too many details of the conversation. Whomever went running to the boss is 100% wrong. We as pilots and adults need to confront the other person first. Be a man tell the other guy whats bothering you or just walk away from converstation. If it is a safety issue- CALL PRO STANDARDS, but simple dissagreement just warrants walking away. In the end pilots need to protect pilots, and guaranteed it is your only real source of protection.

If you were the ASA guy goodluck here at JB.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

I don't think you are the one this thread is about. I was there as well and the person was an F.O. at ASA. It was a bad situation where booze and politics just don't mix. What I do remember is the person making comments like UAL and DL will be out of business due to their unsastanable business model. As far as Jetblue, any new hire has no right to comment on anything about the subject, til you give it time. Then if you still feel the same way thats fine, you have that right and should be respected for your views. As far as going to CP well they found out somehow and confronted said pilot, with too many details of the conversation. Whomever went running to the boss is 100% wrong. We as pilots and adults need to confront the other person first. Be a man tell the other guy whats bothering you or just walk away from converstation. If it is a safety issue- CALL PRO STANDARDS, but simple dissagreement just warrants walking away. In the end pilots need to protect pilots, and guaranteed it is your only real source of protection.

If you were the ASA guy goodluck here at JB.

So you're saying that there are two, not one, completely clueless new-hires from ASA. Goody.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

So you're saying that there are two, not one, completely clueless new-hires from ASA. Goody.

Given that ASA doesn't exist anymore, that's unlikely.

 

[clickclickboom]

Dont beat on aircombat.. The guy deserves a break.. He worked for a craphole operator that would never had paid him more than a pittance.. He expected to just flow right through to the majors but with age 65 and temporary stagnation he decied to blame ALPA for his worthless MEC and fixed revenue feeder job..

Mediocrity has been ingrained into his low expectation mind.

Then he came over to JB and saw our shiny new jets and fancy training center and everybody smiling and pretending to be so happy and the chemical imbalance that brainwashed him into inept conclusions like: " Alpa is a paycut " just released a massive dose of blue endorphins.

He's got it all figured out just like the infamous chicken farmer producing his anti union manifestos but the reality is this new hire doesnt know jack s-hit about anything we have faced and are facing into the future.

This is not your craphole regional bottom feeder spoon biting regional. This is your opportunity to break out of your candy coated shell of mediocrity and work collectively towards a real career. A career that WILL STILL deliver a handsome CASM advantage to the company yet rewards you with true peerset average pay, benefits, and workrules.

In support of your rationalizations I will say that ALPA should NEVER have represented both the majors and the regionals that served them. That is a true conflict of interest. There was no way that your MEC and Alpa national could get you results..

That being said the landscape has changed dramatically and the mission and structure of todays regionals are different. The only viable option is ALPA.

Any thought that an in house will work here at blue is just foolishness

 

[Floatplane]

Given that ASA doesn't exist anymore, that's unlikely.

Not exactly true, they just operate as ExpressJet now!

 

[wt219200]

Not exactly true, they just operate as ExpressJet now!

I guess America West still exists too. They just operate as US Airways.

 

[Flyby1206]

I guess America West still exists too. They just operate as US Airways.

True, just ask one of them

 

[Smarta$$]

I see I didn't miss much.

 

[say again]

Have many calls been going out for interviews? Dont see much talk on that