New AirTran TA Thread

[EMBATP]

i am reading the t/a now side by side with the current cba...have not got to payrates but have got to scope...re read it but i see things like little restriction on turboprop flying, the part about them using retired guys for ferry flights, unless guys are on furlough is gone...in other words they could furlough you but keep coach around to move airplanes..some sections are missing all together...

READ THIS THING CAREFULLY...

 

[XRMEFLYER]

I've read the entire TA and my opinion has not changed, It's a piece of garbage and needs to be voted down!

Amen Brother!!!!!

 

[ngsp]

everyone should be reading this TA along side the 2005 proposal made by the company. the company got the big stuff they wanted:

scope relaxed
first year fo pay now will be "market rate"
pay starts at aircraft movement
4.5 hour average day pay
13 hour duty day
used reserve days pay nothing.
they wanted 70 hours for reserves, they got 75 hours.
eliminate the platinum ppo so we will be in line with other crafts
cobra insurance rates 12 months after retirement

these are just a few of the big items i have found that is word for word request from the companies 2005 proposal that made everyone so mad, but hey we did get the payrates we requested from the NPA 2005 proposal. it was just 3 years late. they did not even ask for core credit time in 2005, but we were team players enough to give it to them anyway.

wake up AP and the BOD. show me where we got anything we wanted in our orginial 2005 proposal other than the payrates and then we turned around and gave it all back and then some with the items mentioned above.

i forgot, we get great merger language. the only thing we got was current book, 18 months to intergrate, and bound to holdings. the holdings part is good, but the rest we already have. the 18 month is useless, what is the penality if they miss the timeline?

OPEN THE POLLS NOW!!!

I VOTE HE!! NO!

 

[Av8tor]

Just more garbage! Im voting NO!

 

[Lear70]

OK... so the T.A. on the website now isn't even the right one, or so they say.

It had SO many spelling errors, syntax errors, even VOCAB errors that totally changed the meaning of the section, that they had to repeal it and say they "accidentally put out a 'draft'..."

Now we probably won't get the "correct" draft until Monday. That's barely 3 weeks until a vote is due, and they still have to do roadshows.

My NO stickers came in today, I'll be in MCO from 1000 until 1300 tomorrow, then in ops in ATL from 1430 until 1830 for anyone who wants one.

It's time to send this thing back with an OVERWHELMING rejection... and possibly time for even more than that.

Amateur night... ridiculous.

p.s. All of the core information is still the same, just have to correct all the bad proofreading errors, so you won't have to re-study the sections you already have gone through.

 

[Eagle757shark]

Ok, this is embarrassing! With all the mistakes, they pull the contract until Saturday. Guys, I smell a RAT! These guys are acting real shady and it is making me very nervous about our union leadership! The language in this TA is very poor! "Don't worry we will do it again in 3 1/2 years!" AP and Negotiating Committee, get it right NOW! Don't try to sell me with this crap! This is a disgrace and needs to be voted NO! That is my vote!

 

[CatfishVT9]

Did I read the part about average day wrong? I've been reading what everyone wrote on these threads in the past week or so, but I thought I read it as a 4 hour minimum but a 4.5 min avg on multiple pairings. So you would still get 4.5 a day min on a multi-day trip. (Page1-46)

Am I completely missing it?

 

[AFcitrus]

Just read the entire T.A. It is absolutely horrendous. AP kept saying to reserve judgement until reading the actual T.A. There is nothing in the actual document that is an improvement for pilots from the bullets. In fact, I saw a few additional negatives for us that weren't in the bullets.

The reserves lost everything in return for 5 hours of pay (which actually is still a 15-20% pay loss with a major regression in work rules/QOL). QOL for reserves will be aweful if this passes.

By the way someone mentioned "holdings" being tied to this T.A. I didn't see anywhere that it said "holdings" was tied to the merger/acquisition part of this T.A. I may have missed it though.

Speaking of merger/acquisition - AP and NPA said that we got the strongest merger/acquistion language of any contract in industry. WTFO - I saw nothing than specifically protects AAI pilots during an integration. It only gives an 18 month req. for merging of operations (FAA req.) and a timeline/participants for meetings between interested parties. The way I read it if one party (non-AAI pilots) isn't satisfied they can keep denying the integration until it is ultimately decided by an independent arbitrator (whose decision is binding). This gives us NO specific protections.

"Vastly improved Hotel section" is a joke:
- 22 hr. layover required before company is required to provide retail/tourist attractions nearby. In five years here I've NEVER had a 22 hr. layover on the 717.
-Waffle House suffices for required full service restaurant near hotel? We'll all be "smothered and covered" with sh*t if we vote this aweful TA in.

VOTE THIS TA DOWN!!!

 

[AFcitrus]

Did I read the part about average day wrong? I've been reading what everyone wrote on these threads in the past week or so, but I thought I read it as a 4 hour minimum but a 4.5 min avg on multiple pairings. So you would still get 4.5 a day min on a multi-day trip. (Page1-46)

Am I completely missing it?

You are correct about the one day = 4 hr min. But you don't get a minimum of 4.5 hrs/day on multiple day trips.

Here's the way I read it.
3-day trip:
Day 1 = 8 hrs
Day 2 = 1.5 hrs
Day 3 = 4 hours

Currently you would get paid 16 hours of pay.
This TA would pay you 13.5 hours of pay. It's a legal trip because it averages 4.5 hours/day. 13.5hrs/3days=4.5 hrs/day

You just lost 2.5 hours of pay in three days. They could conceivably do that 5 times/month and you now have lost 12.5 hours of pay/month over current contract.

Hope this helps.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I got to listen to BH tells us, we should have expected concession because everyone else gave them. Tell you what I heard some stupid sh!t today. Here is the best, two senior CA saying how come the Union is not here to sell this thing to get the yes vote. I wanted to kick some A$$!!