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bravodude said:
Lear 70,

what are your thought on the FAPA lawsuit.
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Well, I don't think I get a vote, but if I was a betting man, I'd say it has roughly a snowball's chance in Hades.

Binding arbitration is binding arbitration. If you don't like the results, you don't take your toys and go home and call a lawyer. But that's just my thoughts. A judge might think completely differently, although I hope not. What a Pandora's box if some judge decides to say that "Binding arbitration isn't binding" and overturns the award.

What's your thoughts?
 
I was told years ago by a union attorney that you can't change an arbitrators decision unless you can prove that the decision was made using incorrect or false facts. If you dont agree with the decision, but the decision was made using good information, tough titties. But then again, I'm no Judge Judy.
 
"The Group B3 EVP represents AirTran, Spirit, Comair, Compass, Capital, and North American." quote was stated earlier. Does this mean ALPA considers AT as a regional? Not flaming, just curious on why they aren't considered on their own considering the size compared to these others.
 
Lear70 said:
Well, the vote to remove TO was 7:1 and the letter that came out was signed by all but ONE of the ten MEC reps, so I would say the direction of our union is pretty steady. When everyone's on one page except one person, I'd say there's a pretty clear sense of direction inside the MEC, and that's who's "steering the ship",
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This is all that needs to be said. The vote was overwhelming and it directed the continued and absolute autonomy of our Merger Committee (MC). Without any interference from a higher body.

The AirTran MC are a smart, decent and trustworthy group. I really believe that any SWAPA pilot that had a beer with them would think the same thing. Their goal is to defend their pilots interests whilst ensuring that we contribute everything we have to SWA.

Hopefully we can put all of this behind us quickly and expend our energies on having some fun and making some jack. :)
 
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dicko said:
Amen.
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When I started at AT, ALPA was a 4 letter word. If you even mentioned ALPA, the next words out of someone's mouth would be a tirade of profanities. Not an exaggeration.

All I'm saying an in-house union was no match for this management group.

At airtran, things changed with ALPA, mostly for the better.
 
PCL_128 said:
The recalled pilot in question was the Vice Chairman at AirTran, but also holds a separate ALPA national position as EVP. That position continues.
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I'm starting to worry about you man. You're kinda talking in the third person here. Its clear who you are so relax a bit.
 
Ty Webb said:
This will not affect SLI at all, and it is really not the business of SWAPA pilots.
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You just keep saying this Ty, and maybe you and your peeps will really believe it!

Your Vice Chair was just thrown under the bus as far as I can see. Your Chairman has involved himself in the SLI process, yet your Vice Chair is recalled for the same. Something doesn't add up. I hear your Chairman is next...but I'm sure that won't affect SLI at all either. Good Luck!
 
This recall is probably best for all of us, because a negotiated settlement is best for all of us. It shows that, possibly, some at AAI aren't as radical ("hold out for arbitration") as some of us may have been led to believe. After all, its easy to misrepresent ones intent on a message board. If this is the case, congratulations on a step in the right direction.
 
MILF Hunter said:
You just keep saying this Ty, and maybe you and your peeps will really believe it!

Your Vice Chair was just thrown under the bus as far as I can see. Your Chairman has involved himself in the SLI process, yet your Vice Chair is recalled for the same. Something doesn't add up. I hear your Chairman is next...but I'm sure that won't affect SLI at all either. Good Luck!
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This is a good example of why SWA pilots should avoid talking about ATN71 business . . . . you just sound stupid.
 
So "we are ALPA" aka PCL148 was a hardcore arbitration dude?
 
PCL_128 said:
The recalled pilot in question was the Vice Chairman at AirTran, but also holds a separate ALPA national position as EVP. That position continues.
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So wait PCL- you're still a EVP at ALPA national even though you just got recalled?
And what about when you become a Swapa pilot?
 
Ty Webb said:
This is a good example of why SWA pilots should avoid talking about ATN71 business . . . . you just sound stupid.
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Why does he sound stupid? His analysis sounds pretty close to what I can figure out is happening from the cryptic releases we are getting from the union. I figure the only reason they have not recall LH yet is because theymade such a fuss early on that that was not their intent when they were attempting the recall of MH.
 
LH must go!!!!! :cartman:
 
SWA/FO said:
LH must go!!!!! :cartman:
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This is another example of why you guys sound stupid talking about ATN71 business.

Some of you think that LH is a hard-liner, which is pretty funny. I don't think you could find an AirTran pilot who thinks LH is a "hard-liner". Not a one.

The gripe most AAI pilots have with LH is that he is too much of a milquetoast, won't stand up to management, gives away side-letters etc. and, as an FO, has little regard for the concerns of Captains and senior FO's.

Most of you also don't know that LH was never elected to be a President (NPA) or Chairman (ALPA). He was the Vice President under the NPA, when the President stepped down. He was "interim" Chairman during our transition to ALPA, and the MEC kept him in there because they didn't want to replace him during our Contract Negotiations "end-game", which is where we were when the merger was announced.

But, hey, don't let this stop you from showing your asses. Feel free to tell us how to run our union . . . . after all, you guys were "hired, not acquired" and clearly possess vastly superior intellect to mere AirTran pilots. :laugh: Oh, yeah, and we got that great new contract with my awesome 8% pay raise because of the merger, not despite it.
 
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j41driver said:
I can guaran-damn-tee that there aren't 1500 satisfied ALPA members at AAI.
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There will be if your MEC gets you a "relative position" SLI arbitration award.
 
This is another example of why you guys sound stupid talking about ATN71 business.

Some of you think that LH is a hard-liner, which is pretty funny. I don't think you could find an AirTran pilot who thinks LH is a "hard-liner". Not a one.

The gripe most AAI pilots have with LH is that he is too much of a milquetoast, won't stand up to management, gives away side-letters etc. and, as an FO, has little regard for the concerns of Captains and senior FO's.

Most of you also don't know that LH was never elected to be a President (NPA) or Chairman (ALPA). He was the Vice President under the NPA, when the President stepped down. He was "interim" Chairman during our transition to ALPA, and the MEC kept him in there because they didn't want to replace him during our Contract Negotiations "end-game", which is where we were when the merger was announced.

But, hey, don't let this stop you from showing your asses. Feel free to tell us how to run our union . . . . after all, you guys were "hired, not acquired" and clearly possess vastly superior intellect to mere AirTran pilots. :laugh: Oh, yeah, and we got that great new contract with my awesome 8% pay raise because of the merger, not despite it.
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Just typed that to rattle your chain, looks like it worked. We know you don't make $hit and had to start your side business. We know FOs here at Southwest make more money then your Captains..... we know all of this.

You're crying about your little 8% raise, we will call that our ONE LUV gift... to you. your welcome tranny. :rolleyes:

By-the-way who is Kurt? What we need is JW back after SC term ends, of course.
 
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Just typed that to rattle your chain, looks like it worked. We know you don't make $hit and had to start your side business. We know FOs here at Southwest make more money then your Captains..... we know all of this.

You're crying about your little 8% raise, we will call that our ONE LUV gift... to you. your welcome tranny. :rolleyes:

By-the-way who is Kurt? What we need is JW back after SC term ends, of course.
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Too funny, you LUV to whine and moan when a few Delta dudes rattle your cage and stick their noses in our business but it's perfectly fine for you to stir the pot with your recently acquired brothers? Hypocrisy at its finest.........
 
Hey I don't want to be involved in your union- but can anyone set the rumor mill straight-
It was said that TO/Aka PCL128/ aka an officer more loyal to ALPA national that to AT pilots, much less swapa, -who had a LOT of future ambitions- was removed for interference w/ the SLI process/ aka: ALPA national attempting to interfere w/ the SLI-
So far this has made me seem really right and alpa conspiracy theories confirmed-
Tell me I'm wrong, please and that alpa national through TO wasn't doing what I feared they would be all along.
If so, good on you guys for ousting him. But if there's a more accurate picture- by all means, share.

Btw- relative seniority carries the same exact tone here as a staple does there- I'd be careful of the expectations ALPA is putting into your heads and their motivations for doing it.
 
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SWA/FO said:
Just typed that to rattle your chain, looks like it worked. We know you don't make $hit and had to start your side business. We know FOs here at Southwest make more money then your Captains..... we know all of this.
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Let's just say that the "little side business" made a whole lot more last year than any SWA FO did, that's for sure . . . . And that's before any AAI income.

If that's a "little side business" to you . . . . that's fine by me. See ya at the finish line, sucka! :laugh:
 
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That "little side business" made a whole lot more last year than any SWA FO did, that's for sure . . . . And that's before any AAI income.

If that's a "little side business" to you . . . . that's fine by me. See ya at the finish line, sucka! :laugh:
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Sounds like you don't need the money? Or a "part-time" flying job anyway. Why then do you worry about your "title" at your part-time flying job anyway? Sounds like you don't need it? :rolleyes:

Plus, don't be hating on me just because you were aquired and I was hired. Don't feel bad, I would have done the same thing if I didn't meet Southwest's hiring mins.

Remember, I had the choice, I could have been a tranny like you...

I'm here to help: just make sure you tell SWA: "That flying is your full-time job" - "nope, I don't have a full-time side business that requires me to be home all the time, not me. Don't know what you are talking about". Glad its working for you. Really, here is a :D to prove it.

BTW: I never cry about the Delta wonder twins.... I just give it back to them. Also, they really never point out what they are up to, unlike me - I told you I was kidding. That, right there is the difference between a boy and a MAN!
 

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