New AAI ALPA Strategy: Fire SWA Haters!

[shootr]

You guys crack me up! "Man points", "Canuck", "French origin spelling"...you may just fit right in at good ole' Southwestern Trailways!

Oh, and pass me some catsup to go on my freedom fries!

 

[waveflyer]

The only thing he "owns" is the recipe for a very angry next 20 years.

Do you have a different recipe, Ty?
Bc to me- sounds like the same recipe, different kitchen.


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Shootr- and what's our responsibility in the acquisition?
You do know that 1700 pilots on a separate seniority list undercutting our wages and undercutting SWA routes is a pretty bad thing too right?

When I think growth for southwest I honestly think this acquisition facilitates that. Can we grow domestically and still ignore Atlanta? Can we begin Int'l ops w/o ATL? Could we not acquire AT and compete?:: yes! But we'd have bled to do it. So there's a need to be pragmatic over pride. Now don't get me wrong - swa is buying AT- we should benefit from it

But it's not just mgmt- each of our collective attitudes will determine a lot of the success.

 

[shootr]

Wave,

Here's my deal (and many others). I propose no extreme resolution to our SLI. However, if we (SWAPA) are willing to somewhat compromise and AT ALPA is not at all willing to go that route (as many on this board such as Ty seem to lean toward) this is going to be an ugly fight and OUR management may need to be reminded of this outcome. I think they already have this outcome in mind and have a nuclear option to deal with it. I'm just not personally willing to be all "All for one and one for all!", until I have a better understanding of how the whole thing will shake out.

I'm still professional and courteous with ALL Citrus crewmembers I come in contact with. No different than before September. I just think it's a mistake to wear the lanyard/laniard/rope/line/necklace before we work it all out. We're NOT all in this together, yet.

shootr

 

[sfomarc]

Exactly.

 

[carl p]

Wave,

Here's my deal (and many others). I propose no extreme resolution to our SLI. However, if we (SWAPA) are willing to somewhat compromise and AT ALPA is not at all willing to go that route (as many on this board such as Ty seem to lean toward) this is going to be an ugly fight and OUR management may need to be reminded of this outcome. I think they already have this outcome in mind and have a nuclear option to deal with it. I'm just not personally willing to be all "All for one and one for all!", until I have a better understanding of how the whole thing will shake out.

I'm still professional and courteous with ALL Citrus crewmembers I come in contact with. No different than before September. I just think it's a mistake to wear the lanyard/laniard/rope/line/necklace before we work it all out. We're NOT all in this together, yet.

shootr

IMO, your completely misreading us. I have not spoken with ANY AT pilot that says this must go a certain way... In fact, every single person I've spoken to recognizes the need for cooperation and compromise to get the job done. Of course there are certain positions that are non-starters for us, as there are for you. In between, there is the opportunity to strike a deal. I know many like to bash ALPA, and use their disdain for ALPA to say that somehow we AT pilots will be unreasonable because ALPA is pulling the strings. That is complete nonsense, our MC represents our pilots and not ALPA national.

Back to the lanyard, I see it as a message to our customers more than anything. It doesn't have to be made into something political.

Which side appears on the surface more willing to compromise, the group with 75% wearing the ONE LUV lanyard or the one with 95% who are not?

 

[redflyer65]

Back to the lanyard, I see it as a message to our customers more than anything. It doesn't have to be made into something political.

You're seeing the otherside of the LUV coin, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I haven't seen any SW pilots wear the lanyard, and if they did, they would probably be brow beaten by others. It's not that we don't see what AAI brings, it's just that we aren't quite feeling the love....yet.

I would say the lanyard is very similiar to the opinions to the whole deal when it was announced..

AAI guys high fiving each other with happiness.

SW guys worrying about where we might be headed with this whole deal.

AAI folks would be pretty down if the deal fell through, the SW crew would most likely be happy.

Not hating, it just seems to be the same sentiment...for now. I hope things go well.

RF

 

[SKC]

...the SW flight crews would most likely be happy.

Fixed it for you.

I may end up losing some spots depending how our department's SLI goes, but I'm trying to see the long term positives that this will bring. I know it's not exactly the same as your SLI since I don't have upgrades to worry about, but still hope everything works out.

 

[ASADFW7]

Would Airtran pilots be happy for 50% of their longevity for the 50% increase in job security and benefits?

 

[Bob Dylan]

Would Airtran pilots be happy for 50% of their longevity for the 50% increase in job security and benefits?

Most (a majority) would be happy to be stapled.

 

[Flycatcher99]

You're seeing the otherside of the LUV coin, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I haven't seen any SW pilots wear the lanyard, and if they did, they would probably be brow beaten by others. It's not that we don't see what AAI brings, it's just that we aren't quite feeling the love....yet.

I would say the lanyard is very similiar to the opinions to the whole deal when it was announced..

AAI guys high fiving each other with happiness.

SW guys worrying about where we might be headed with this whole deal.

AAI folks would be pretty down if the deal fell through, the SW crew would most likely be happy.

Not hating, it just seems to be the same sentiment...for now. I hope things go well.

RF

Exactly right.

 

[ivauir]

Or a Canuck (lose two man-points) :laugh:

You think that's funny, bub?

 

[dh82dvr]

Most (a majority) would be happy to be stapled.

The only staple I would like is the one that staples your lips to your own ar$e.

 

[400ADude]

Most (a majority) would be happy to be stapled.

Rumor is the Critter MEC is willing to accept a staple with pay protection and fence.

 

[RLAblows]

You're seeing the otherside of the LUV coin, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I haven't seen any SW pilots wear the lanyard, and if they did, they would probably be brow beaten by others. It's not that we don't see what AAI brings, it's just that we aren't quite feeling the love....yet.

I would say the lanyard is very similiar to the opinions to the whole deal when it was announced..

AAI guys high fiving each other with happiness.

SW guys worrying about where we might be headed with this whole deal.

AAI folks would be pretty down if the deal fell through, the SW crew would most likely be happy.

Not hating, it just seems to be the same sentiment...for now. I hope things go well.

RF

Have any of you sent Emails to Mr. Kelly and expressed your concerns or disgust over this deal? If not, this is just misdirected hostility. The AT pilots aren't responsible for this deal and at some point we are going to have to deal with it like adults. I don't think not wearing the lanyards is going to have any effect other then giving off a childish message. " NO! I'm not wearing my lanyard, waaaahhhhh."

 

[aceshigh]

Would Airtran pilots be happy for 50% of their longevity for the 50% increase in job security and benefits?

Your question has no bearing on the matter. Longevity is not being merged or integrated here. Job security and benefits aren't either. Neither are W-2's or culture (Thank God). The only thing being integrated is seniority, hence, the name SLI.

Let's let the MC's do their jobs and, hopefully, cooler heads will prevail. The end result, I believe, will be worth the wait.