NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[Full of LUV]

I'd be careful.....

It takes about three seconds after saying hello to a NJA guy til they start complaining about your airline. The instant you identify them as a crewmember, they stick their ticket in your face. The moment you identify them as a customer they wave their ID in your face. They are obviously spoiled and confused. They fly people around who expect and recieve outstanding service, but that's not who they are. Despite what they THINK.

One of these NJA clowns made a spectacle of themselves in the boarding area the other day because we didn't let him board with the crew. That's no joke. Another recent problem I had with NJA guy: We had a crew swap in Newark and the load FA came down to the plane and was sobbing. She had come from another flight and a NJA pilot went off on her for a sticker she was wearing. It was election day and her "I voted" sticker had a particuliar political affiliation to it. The NJA pilot got in her face and screamed how offended he was. He went from zero to total exaggeration in a nano second. She took the sticker off right away but this guy didn't let up. He did wait until they were airborne but he sought her out during the service and made it known he was former airline and he was sure that what she had done seriously contradicted airline policy and that he was going to get her fired. Hour and a half flight and this guy wouldn't stop snearing at her. It was pure and simple intimidation after a certain point. She explained to me that finally another pilot asked the guy to cool it. And he did. I don't think she realized it, but I think it was this guys' other pilot crewmember. Then, at the top of the jetway the guy went at her again. Look, she probably shouldn't have worn the sticker. When it was pointed out to her that it had a particuliar affiliation, she took it off and apologized. That correction should have been enough. I have become newly proud of my FAs in recent years as I think they do a pretty good job and put up with a lot of crap. Some of them are durable sorts, and some a pretty delicate. This NJA toolbag ripped into a lady that was dealing with a lot and he damm near shattered her. Listen up: If any of you NJA guys have a problem with the FA that you can't handle in two or three polite sentences, you go find the captain after landing. OK? Don't escalate it. Cause if you do, and it's me or a captain like me, it's going to get interesting.

We airline types aren't riding on your equipment making your at duty, non-deadhead time suck. What else do we have to do for you? We're doing a harder job for a lot less money than we used to...AND we're still doing it pretty well. Especially these FAs.

BTW Glasspilot 99% of that post was not aimed at you. Just got on a roll.

If I were a frac guy, I'd be careful about getting the jumpseat. Next contract could start back to no more home base direction with the company saying, we'll give you a day to jumpseat to the gateway, etc. As Deisel claimed you have more miles than god, why would you want to risk taking a jumpseat privledge and dealing with jumpseating to/from work? If I had unlimited airline miles from two or three majors, I'd give up any jumpseat privledge in a heartbeat. Today, you can reserve any empty seat on any airline with enough miles, who needs an offline jumpseat access with that kind of power?

 

[kman]

If I were a frac guy, I'd be careful about getting the jumpseat. Next contract could start back to no more home base direction with the company saying, we'll give you a day to jumpseat to the gateway, etc. As Deisel claimed you have more miles than god, why would you want to risk taking a jumpseat privledge and dealing with jumpseating to/from work? If I had unlimited airline miles from two or three majors, I'd give up any jumpseat privledge in a heartbeat. Today, you can reserve any empty seat on any airline with enough miles, who needs an offline jumpseat access with that kind of power?

Don't think its going to happen anytime soon, a lot of guys would rather take a pay cut than go back to the old system.

And this has nothing to do with jumpseating, you guys just don't listen. It has to do with crewpass and flying into DCA.

why would the company risk a saleoff (heard this can cost as much as 50k) for sake of saving lets say a 500.00 walk up fare? There is no way the company function with not knowing if guys had confirmed seats on flight, since we don't have any hubs(besides Tetorhole). Jumpseating would be just too risky for getting crews to their aircraft relably.

 

[Full of LUV]

Not what I was saying....

Don't think its going to happen anytime soon, a lot of guys would rather take a pay cut than go back to the old system.

And this has nothing to do with jumpseating, you guys just don't listen. It has to do with crewpass and flying into DCA.

why would the company risk a saleoff (heard this can cost as much as 50k) for sake of saving lets say a 500.00 walk up fare? There is no way the company function with not knowing if guys had confirmed seats on flight, since we don't have any hubs(besides Tetorhole). Jumpseating would be just too risky for getting crews to their aircraft relably.

Not saying the company would use j/s to get you to your assignment, just saying that if after you have J/S for awhile, company says lets require all new pilots to live in a major airline hub, or all, that way we can begin on day one with a one leg flight to assignment. When you say, but I live in peoria, they say, too bad, jumpseat. That is in essence how the 121 world works now!
Luv

 

[imacdog]

So you're not going to cough up $25 bucks for extra service/comfort, but you're going to cry and complain if you're not made to feel special? Fine. Take your coach seat and STFU.

My rep will call ALPA National. ALPA National can explain to oversight that what you guys are doing is dilluting a legitimate program for personal/corporate gain. AND, despite the fact you've been around for years and are in the transportation business, you've not lifted a finger to try to be a helpful hand.

Just to make sure we're clear, as this conversation has been very informative and enlightening. You are the one who wants me and other professional pilots to volunteer to sit in the exit row. Remember, you are asking this because in general, a professional pilot would probably of more help in operating the exit and evacuating passengers in the event of an emergency. As a reminder, this was your post:

You know I always have wondered why the fractional guys don't volunteer as exit row occupants, or able bodied frequent flyers or the like?

I say, I would be happy to assist but am not willing to pay out of pocket to sit in that row when my coach ticket already has me in about the same level of comfort. You now think I am whining and complaining, and should STFU.

What am I missing here?

 

[Flopgut]

Just to make sure we're clear, as this conversation has been very informative and enlightening. You are the one who wants me and other professional pilots to volunteer to sit in the exit row. Remember, you are asking this because in general, a professional pilot would probably of more help in operating the exit and evacuating passengers in the event of an emergency. As a reminder, this was your post:



I say, I would be happy to assist but am not willing to pay out of pocket to sit in that row when my coach ticket already has me in about the same level of comfort. You now think I am whining and complaining, and should STFU.

What am I missing here?

Some large corporate clients do care more about the operation and quite selflessly want to be part of the solution. They aren't pilots and they aren't seeking (what amounts to) extraordinarily priviledged treatment. You've been among the least attentive and dejected group of customers any airline has. And you've been that way for a long time. When you compare this to what you asking for it is really unbelievable.

The only people who should get what you're asking for should do so because they want to act out of an abundance of regard for the entire operation. You're about the furthest thing from that.

I'm about done with this thread. I don't think I've even made a dent. Airline staff is supposed to treat you NJA guys like you are their favorite plant and if you choose to treat them as a housepet that's suppose to be OK. I'm guessing that's how you're treated so you want to project it onto us. Fine. I'll remind myself that each and every flight I should take a moment to see if I have a NJA pilot on board and make sure the whole crew makes him/her feel extra special.

 

[gunfyter]

I will be very surprised if NJ does not get CrewPass. What if we want to have jumpseaters?

 

[Skippy]

We have probably hired at least 1000 furloughed 121 pilots. Thats a guess.

really? In the past , say 5-7 months?

 

[gunfyter]

Most of the furloughed pilots came after 9/11. Probably more than 200 each from Comair, Midway and Independence. Some TWA ... United ... and Northwest. Emory, Kalitta... etc..

I don't know how many of the 300 or so pilots hired in 2008 were furloughed 121. No doubt some were.

Former furloughed pilots might be the largest demographic of NJA pilots.... Either that or military.

However the word is hiring has ceased as of this month.

 

[JungleJett]

I should take a moment to see if I have a NJA pilot on board and make sure the whole crew makes him/her feel extra special.

Now we are getting somewhere!

 

[Allen1]

Good point. Don't fractionals operate under part 91? If so, there is no difference between them and other GA pilots.

Well we do a lot of part 135.

 

[Allen1]

Yeahhh...before you guys were always saying that you don't WANT to hire airline guys because they don't know how to "provide the kind of service" your company expects...now you've got 1,000 furloughs from the majors. Dream on

Dude you really are an idiot and don't know anything about NetJets. Do you have any idea how many ex 121 pilots furloughed and retired that work here? I think a thousand is a pretty conservative estimate. I'm ex 121 along with most everyone else I've flown with here is. You're a true idiot. I hold nothing against any 121 pilots and also have no interest in jumpseating. Apparently some 121 pilots have issues with us though.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Dude you really are an idiot and don't know anything about NetJets. Do you have any idea how many ex 121 pilots furloughed and retired that work here? I think a thousand is a pretty conservative estimate. I'm ex 121 along with most everyone else I've flown with here is. You're a true idiot. I hold nothing against any 121 pilots and also have no interest in jumpseating. Apparently some 121 pilots have issues with us though.

Don't worry! Voice of reason=Voice of whining!

 

[CA1900]

... company says lets require all new pilots to live in a major airline hub, or all, that way we can begin on day one with a one leg flight to assignment.

They tried it, with paid tickets, even. It didn't work, which is why we've gone to the 100 bases. They're not airline hubs, but they're generally well-served by the airlines, which is all that really matters for our operation.

When you say, but I live in peoria, they say, too bad, jumpseat. That is in essence how the 121 world works now!

Yup. Jumping to work is one of the things I don't miss about 121! (The fact that they closed every domicile I moved to didn't help the cause... :laugh

 

[imacdog]

Some large corporate clients do care more about the operation and quite selflessly want to be part of the solution. They aren't pilots and they aren't seeking (what amounts to) extraordinarily priviledged treatment. You've been among the least attentive and dejected group of customers any airline has. And you've been that way for a long time. When you compare this to what you asking for it is really unbelievable.

The only people who should get what you're asking for should do so because they want to act out of an abundance of regard for the entire operation. You're about the furthest thing from that.

I'm about done with this thread. I don't think I've even made a dent. Airline staff is supposed to treat you NJA guys like you are their favorite plant and if you choose to treat them as a housepet that's suppose to be OK. I'm guessing that's how you're treated so you want to project it onto us. Fine. I'll remind myself that each and every flight I should take a moment to see if I have a NJA pilot on board and make sure the whole crew makes him/her feel extra special.

I like you Flopgut. Let's be friends. :beer: Your method of thinking is entirely logical and not filled with hate. It would be an honor and a priviledge to ride in the back of your airplane anytime.

 

[Flopgut]

I like you Flopgut. Let's be friends. :beer: Your method of thinking is entirely logical and not filled with hate. It would be an honor and a priviledge to ride in the back of your airplane anytime.

K. Uhhh. Not sure I was ready for that, But...Cool!! You bet!! Thank you, and likewise Sir. It would very much be a priviledge to ride on your airplane.

It would make perfect sense that NJA pilots be a known quantity in the back. That way when the PA rings and the FAs says "the passenger in 23A says something fell off the airplane", and you're the guy in 23A, we'll know we have something actionable. Which is a sharp contrast to what it usually is: a mental patient or a nine year old. (We don't write them off entirely, but they are usually unreliable)