NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[Fozzy]

Can't believe I am wading into this. VOR, you are a fool.:angryfire

The CASS thing has nothing to do with jumpseat. It will not happen. Sorry, I would love to give rides to the 121 folks, but I can never see the man signing off on it. Can you see the jumpseaters face on the first enroute change of destination!?! And the fact that we will never reciprocate, well that kills the deal. So let that rumor die.

I am just guessing, but that vast majority of NJA folks have NO interest in jumpseating.

So why the CASS rumor. Well it was mentioned above. Crew Pass (coming to a airport near you) and maybe DCA. But that is just a guess.:0
As far as background checks and certificates go, I don't think that will be a problem.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JUMPSEAT.
VOR, who pissed pissed in your Wheaties? Seriously, you are off your meds.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

The CASS thing has nothing to do with jumpseat. It will not happen. Sorry, I would love to give rides to the 121 folks, but I can never see the man signing off on it. Can you see the jumpseaters face on the first enroute change of destination!?! And the fact that we will never reciprocate, well that kills the deal. So let that rumor die.

I am just guessing, but that vast majority of NJA folks have NO interest in jumpseating.

So why the CASS rumor. Well it was mentioned above. Crew Pass (coming to a airport near you) and maybe DCA. But that is just a guess.:0

Okay...then WHY the secrecy and all the "can't say" posts? Doesn't seem like a big deal if that was it it was about. YOUR guys were making it into a big confidential venture...but then you just posted "a guess," so I guess you aren't on the inside track with those trying to now squash the little leak that your guys let out...

 

[Fozzy]

Because it is none of your business!!!:angryfire You don't work for NJA, so why do you think we should share any company information with you?
YOU DON'T WORK HERE.

Anyways, for the folks that rode the short buss, I will help you along.
Jumpseating on NJA will NEVER happen. No reciprocate, no JS for NJAers on the airlines.
So what does that leave.......... HUMMMMMMM how hard is it to connect the damn dots.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fractional/32423-can-netjets-pilots-not-friendly.html

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=112655

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=119714 (OP only.. all replies deleted, locked thrd)

 

[jehtplane]

Do Frac guys go through the same 10-yr background check as 121 guys? That may be an issue, as well as who pays for it.

This reeks of Ford and Harrison.

Yes, at CS we do , we also do the same security and TSA training.

 

[pipe]

Nope. That was a biometric test that allowed select crewmembers to avoid security altogether.

It was temporary and I believe it has ended.

I stand by the fact that CASS isn't available at security checkpoints. ALPA has argued that it should be (to bypass) but they haven't gotten anywhere, since CASS isn't biometric, according to those who make decisions.

Now I get the problem, if you're a selectee and you're in uniform, the TSA brain-surgeons start to have smoke come out their ears...because by definition crewmembers can't be selectees.

I don't think that non-121 crewmembers are covered under the shoes/liquids thing, but when I think back, it does just say, "Uniformed Crewmembers".

The problem is that you aren't a crew member, you're just in uniform.

Yet another wacky-yet-fun TSA deal.

Precisely why it should have everything to do with identification and nothing to do with uniforms. Anyone can order a uniform out of Sporty's -- why the hell does the TSA care AT ALL about uniforms. The entire program makes no sense at all.

I was traveling (deadhead) with another crewmember who was not in uniform.

TSA - "Sir we're going to have to take that toothpaste".
Pilot - "If I put on that uniform shirt that you just moved to get to the toothpaste, can I keep it?"
TSA - "Yes sir."
Pilot - "Well, since you see the shirt right there, could you just let me keep my toothpaste?'
TSA - "No sir."
Pilot - "What if I put my uniform shirt on right here, over my other shirt, untucked, with these khakis I'm wearing?"
TSA - "Then you can keep the toothpaste sir."
Pilot - "Just take the G__damn toothpaste."

What the hell sense does that make?

PIPE

 

[Fozzy]

5%ers

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fractional/32423-can-netjets-pilots-not-friendly.html

I am not going to fish through 5 pages of posts on another board, to find some meaning to your off the wall rant.

Oh and BTW, I almost always thank the guys up front for getting to my destination safely.

 

[Pervis]

VOR, I know my last post was way too broad for you to understand, so here is the one question I'd like you to answer. What difference does it make to you if we do CASS or not?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

That looks like a LOT more than "5%" ALL over these and MANY other threads like it.
Why the sudden brotherhood with airline guys...CASS thing must have been some plot...
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fractional/32423-can-netjets-pilots-not-friendly.html

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=112655


You get the karma you build...

Any more red herrings to deflect from that?

 

[skiandsurf]

VOR....WHO CARES!!!!!???????

And fwiw,

I have heard of 2 times when njs has allowed airline crews to js on the private jet.

1. 2 nj pilots are airlining on XYZ airline. They get talking to the FAs that are going to be non-reving to the same place these 2 nj pilots are ferrying to. Upon landing, the nj pilots call njs to get approval to take two airline fas to their destination....approved as requested.

2. nj guy is airlining on XYZ airline. gets talking to the capt prior to the flight. finds out the cap is going to miss his commute to ABC airport. just happens to be where nj pilot is ferrying to. nj pilot call nj, ask for approval to take airline guy on the ferry flight....approved as requested.

Sure it doesnt happen too often, and these are only the ones I have heard about. Imaging how many others I havent heard about.

Never say never.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

And fwiw,

I have heard ...

Upon landing, the nj pilots call njs to get approval to take two airline fas to their destination....approved as requested.

2. nj guy is airlining on XYZ airline....

Sure it doesnt happen too often, and these are only the ones I have heard about. Imaging how many others I havent heard about.

Never say never.

Why not? Several NJs guys just did on this thread...

...keep chasing that anecdotal carrot they like to put out there...they want you to "lust" over their imaginary "great days" at work. Too bad the REALITY of thatfantasy includes lav service, cleaning, scraping windshield, chasing unholy fingerprints with a cloth, and kissing *** all day with no dignity.

 

[JungleJett]

Yes, at CS we do , we also do the same security and TSA training.

Considering some of our owners, I would venture maybe some extra scrutiny...but I could be wrong.

 

[skiandsurf]

Why not? Several NJs guys just did on this thread...

...keep chasing that anecdotal carrot they like to put out there...they want you to "lust" over their imaginary "great days" at work. Too bad the REALITY of thatfantasy includes lav service, cleaning, scraping windshield, chasing unholy fingerprints with a cloth, and kissing *** all day with no dignity.

(I know I shouldnt contribute to this moron but here I go anyway).

I have two theories on you.

You either got turned down by NJs.

or,

You were a captain at NJs and quit to fly the "heavy iron". Now there, you are junior or furloughed, and regret leaving for the dream job.

(and yes, I do wipe down the lav and wipe the galley for fingerprints, and NO, I do not kiss anyones a$$. But I also enjoy a pretty good QOL....pay, vacation time, they feed me while at work, and get the occasional $100 handshake).

VOR....get over it.

 

[Outta Here]

We are NOT doing it for jumpseat privileges so everyone dont get your panties in a wad. Not like the jumpseat is much of a privilege and why would we use it a means to reposition. The company pays for a crappy seat anyway.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

You either got turned down by NJs.

or,

You were a captain at NJs and quit to fly the "heavy iron". Now there, you are junior or furloughed, and regret leaving for the dream job.

(and yes, I do wipe down the lav and wipe the galley for fingerprints, and NO, I do not kiss anyones a$$. But I also enjoy a pretty good QOL....pay, vacation time, they feed me while at work, and get the occasional $100 handshake).

WRONG on both counts...and so predictable.
(You'll all note in the fracs section the "you must have been turned down by NetJets" is in 95% of the threads to anyone and everyone who dares question anything in regard to their company or job. ANYONE who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid that passes on the aura of illusion (and delusion) about what their job actually entails "must have been turned down by NetJets"

I do the SAME job for Flight Options, without the 'tude, and can't WAIT to leave the entire frac industry. Yes, you DO do the same job, in fact, MORE customer service, since we aren't all that motivated these days...(I don't need the TIPS...I'll leave that to you guys and the hooters waitresses)

We once at Flops had it MUCH better than you guys (you know before you took us into the IBT union, then left it for your in house once you helped mgt put our company under)...and never once during that time did we treat yours or other pilots like crap or put on airs about the job you KNOW are false, just in some warped quest for respect from airline guys to finally give you "validation" (all over the boards, look it up).

 

[Voice Of Reason]

We are NOT doing it for jumpseat privileges so everyone dont get your panties in a wad. Not like the jumpseat is much of a privilege and why would we use it a means to reposition. The company pays for a crappy seat anyway.

Ahhh...the REAL 'tudes can come out again now that the plan was foiled.
Bummer. Glad I could help.

 

[Outta Here]

Voice of reason take it back to the FRAC side these guys could care less about your ranting

 

[kman]

Voice calm down. How does it affect you anyway?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

(ducking for the incoming organized onslaught of NJA in house union spin machine (its their constant M.O.) attempting to discredit me.. as if the people who haven't yet ALREADY experienced them riding on their planes are unable to use the search function here and on ALPC to see for themselves. How you've all carried yourselves to the majors and other pilots is coming home to roost.

Don't forget to throw all the usual red herrings in, so everyone forgets what you're up to)

---as I was saying...
Meet all the "usual suspects" from the frac board from NJ swooping in to defend their reps from all the negative posts they make all over the boards about everyone else. Let the spin begin...They've nothing but that to do now that they decertified their union.
I've posted what I needed to...anything that comes after is just the usual FUD bs they are accustomed to inventing & stirring up.
The threads I posted earlier speak for themselves authored by NJ pilots.
'nighty night kiddos, have fun inventing again...

 

[JungleJett]

Voice...

Send me your letter of resignation and I will forward it to FLOPS.