NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[Flopgut]

Fractionals are a bit different. We don't have different tiers of service. There are bigger and faster planes, but the service is the same.

We all do have passengers that love to gripe about any myriad of things from short runways, to flow control to the crazy things like the guy who wanted a flight hour credit because we didn't have the sugar packets that he liked. Seriously.

But they all get the same level service...top notch. I have heard of owners being shown the door before though. They can quit us and we can quit them too.

Shine me on if you like, but I think we all know enough about Santulli to say he wouldn't put up with that for too long. I don't think he knows how many prima donnas he's got working for him.

Look, I'm not going to call my rep, but this is BS. This is exactly how you guys act at the gate. You want to be treated as a customer, but you also want to flip and be flight crew. What you should have done is worked to be a cadre group on the trusted traveler program. Explained to airline mgts that you are valuable customers and sought their help. No. you want to pull the "But I'm a special NJA pilot" BS and latch on to something ALPA has worked hard on. We've got enough problems without having to do your heavy lifting as well our own.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

So can airline guys just go wander around the FBO ramps? (no)

Why do NetJets guys...who always insist they are not airline crew...feel entitled to the airline crew lane as passengers?

Pick one...passenger or airline crew.

Maybe your flights would be on time more if passengers (like NJA) weren't clogging up the airline crew lane...while the crew members likely trying to get to the planes they are on are stuck in line behind them...

Don't slam airline crews in 75 different threads, then want to be considered airline crew when it suits you

 

[Voice Of Reason]

No. you want to pull the "But I'm a special NJA pilot" BS and latch on to something ALPA has worked hard on. We've got enough problems without having to do your heavy lifting as well our own.

Don't expect them to have any loyalties to anything ALPA has worked toward. IBT bankrolled them, got them their current (and likely soon to change for the worse) contract...then went and decertified the union as soon as the contract was signed.

They are Ford & Harrison's wet dream and soon enough will be put right back in their place as the joke of the industry as they were just a few years ago.

Better start begging for penance and networking now to all those you slammed during this brief periods of nouveau "riches" :laugh: ...but I'm sure the airline guys' memories are just as long as ours at Flops.

It's like a fable just playing itself out...love it. Can't wait for the moral to occur to you.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

No. you want to pull the "But I'm a special NJA pilot" BS and latch on to something ALPA has worked hard on. We've got enough problems without having to do your heavy lifting as well our own.

Don't expect them to have any loyalties to anything ALPA has worked toward. IBT bankrolled them, got them their current (and likely soon to change for the worse) contract...then went and decertified the union as soon as the contract was signed.

They are Ford & Harrison's wet dream and soon enough will be put right back in their place as the joke of the industry as they were just a few years ago.

Better start begging for penance and networking now to all those you slammed during this brief periods of nouveau "riches" :laugh: ...but I'm sure the airline guys' memories as just as long as ours at Flops.

It's like a fable just playing itself out...love it. Can't wait for the moral to occur to you.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

If the CASS gets approved and like I said it is not for jumpseating its for other reasons, I will be the FIRST guy to welcome ANY 121 guy aboard to go where we are ferrying!

You KNOW that can never happen so why even say it? You and your fake "union" can blow all the smoke you want about this, but the FACT is there isn't a frac mgt in the world that will approve it, "just in case" they need to reroute you to Canada, Mexico, or wherever else to rescue a trip.

Get real, and let it go. Lies and you KNOW it.

 

[CA1900]

Maybe your flights would be on time more if passengers (like NJA) weren't clogging up the airline crew lane...while the crew members likely trying to get to the planes they are on are stuck in line behind them...

Hahahaha... Now I've heard it all!

Yes, folks, your flight is late because of fractional pilots clogging up the employee lanes! Not because of weather or understaffing. Not because of poor schedule planning. Not because of the employee of Burger King, the news stand, the coffee shop, the guy moving 15 pallets of bottled water through the x-ray machine, the Chili's waitress coming back from her smoke break, or any of that.

No no! It's the Netjets guy going through twice a week. That's the reason your flights are late.

Don't expect them to have any loyalties to anything ALPA has worked toward.

Loyalty? That's rich, coming from the guy who vehemently defended his MEC's illegal theft of funds last year.

IBT bankrolled them

IBT didn't give us a single dollar to work with. It was funded entirely with NetJets pilot dues.

...got them their current (and likely soon to change for the worse) contract...

If by "got," you mean, "watched the Netjets pilots hire their own lawyers and subject matter experts, and pay for all of it themselves," then sure. IBT did nothing except stand idly by while we did all the work and paid all the bills.

...then went and decertified the union as soon as the contract was signed.

Absolutely right, and that was solely because of their inaction. They took millions of our dollars and provided no services for that. Further, they were spending our dues money to lobby Congress for interests, such as user fees, that are 100% opposite of our goals.

... the joke of the industry as they were just a few years ago.

Glad to see you're not still bitter.

 

[Skippy]

go pound *************************ing sand with this *************************ing thread-
absolutely not, unless we get a flowback/10 preferential hiring etc --- how many furloughed pilots have you guys hired and that will be your answer as well.

"chaamp dont want no help , he aint get no help- jive a$$ honkey aint got a job anyhow' Schit = "golly"

 

[gunfyter]

We have probably hired at least 1000 furloughed 121 pilots. Thats a guess.

 

[navigatro]

I heard that Greyhound is lobbying to gain access to CASS.

 

[gunfyter]

You'll be all set then, won't you?


I don't give a crap if we get it or not. I get paid $100 an hour overtime if a delay makes me late ... or $2000 if I miss the flight and don't get home because it takes too long to get through TSA. I got $5000 because of an airline delay once.

The company isnt getting it for us ... they are doing it for their own purposes.

 

[CA1900]

go pound *************************ing sand with this *************************ing thread-
absolutely not...

As I said, this has nothing to do with you, or with jumpseating. This is between us and the TSA.

... unless we get a flowback/10 preferential hiring etc...

Flowback? Huh?

--- how many furloughed pilots have you guys hired and that will be your answer as well.

We have a ton of furloughed guys working here. Any other questions?

 

[popgoesbubble]

So can airline guys just go wander around the FBO ramps? (no)

Why do NetJets guys...who always insist they are not airline crew...feel entitled to the airline crew lane as passengers?

Pick one...passenger or airline crew.

Maybe your flights would be on time more if passengers (like NJA) weren't clogging up the airline crew lane...while the crew members likely trying to get to the planes they are on are stuck in line behind them...

Don't slam airline crews in 75 different threads, then want to be considered airline crew when it suits you

Is it me or Does (Mouth Full of Semen) sound like a cry baby:crying: by trying to start something between the NJA Crews and the Airline crews.

For one No NJA pilot is going to non rev to work to save the company money. Secondly, most of us would never consider non reving as we all know we can't return the favor to the 121 crew. That and a lot of us are ex 121 Guys unlike yourself.

And finally (Voice/Mouth full of Semen) STFU you Little Troll I like your profile too afraid to list your flight background that's the first sign of a Troll. Your afraid someone might find out who you really are is that it?

So what's your real issue with NJA and RS in your past thread? As you highlighted his name and WB a couple times. Let me Guess you got rejected one to many times No one likes you Go home.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

We have probably hired at least 1000 furloughed 121 pilots. Thats a guess.

Yeahhh...before you guys were always saying that you don't WANT to hire airline guys because they don't know how to "provide the kind of service" your company expects...now you've got 1,000 furloughs from the majors. Dream on

 

[gunfyter]

I guess former MEC/LEC members from TWA, United, and other 121 carriers that work here now is evidence of your assertion.

 

[glasspilot]

Shine me on if you like, but I think we all know enough about Santulli to say he wouldn't put up with that for too long. I don't think he knows how many prima donnas he's got working for him.

Dude, I'm not "shining you on" or whatever. I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't even know who Santulli is. I do not work for NetJets.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about fractional pilots wanting special perks from the flight crew or in flight crew. The only "perk" that I really want is the dang crew lane at the security checkpoint. That doesn't really affect you does it?

I would like nothing more than to give rides to airline guys. Show up to my plane on a dead leg and your going. I do understand though that without a schedule that would be hard for you to get to. Maybe something could be done with an 800 number or a web site or something. Someone commented about owners not wanting their "asset" used. That's crap as I know pilots would treat the plane like gold.

Anyway, I'm not trying to dis any of you 121 guys. I rode Independence Air to the ground so I know first hand the life of the 121 side of the world.

Can't we all just get along?

 

[waveflyer]

Yeahhh...before you guys were always saying that you don't WANT to hire airline guys because they don't know how to "provide the kind of service" your company expects...now you've got 1,000 furloughs from the majors. Dream on

I think i got it- Clearly a Net Jet pilot Fuc$ked your wife.

It's ok- happens sometimes.

 

[General Lee]

If we can't get rides on Netjets, I don't think it should be allowed. I guess maybe professional traffic watch pilots in C152s are next.... It's all about give and take. In the meantime, I think it is great that Netjets pays for walkup tickets for their pilots on the airlines. That is good for the Netjet pilots anyway, since they get to keep the miles. Good for them...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[gunfyter]

What shouldn't be allowed?

Jump seating or getting through security without being gate-raped while going to work?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

As a former 121 pilot and ALPA Representative, here are my thoughts.

1. I now work for NJI (NetJets), I do not consider myself an airline pilot, nor is my type of flying anywhere related to 121 flying. Therefore... How on earth should I, could I, would I expect to be given a 121 privilege like jumpseating?

2. My company uses the airlines to position me for work. They "PAY" for those tickets, and in return they give me the airline miles and reward status. I can use these miles to purchase free tickets. Therefore... why would I want to risk a vacation or whatever hoping for a free ride?


Airline Pilots do a certain job and receive certain benefits, and Fractional Pilots do the same. Lets not start blurring the lines here. Fractional Guys should never be allowed to jumpseat when we dont have anything to offer 121 guys in return. And 121 Guys should never get reimbursed for every single expense they incur while working... Like getting paid parking or mileage to and from your home to the airport.. .

Wolf


Merry Christmas All

 

[Dumb Pilot]

What shouldn't be allowed?

Jump seating or getting through security without being gate-raped while going to work?

This is not about we are not the same type of pilot nor should it be, this is about reciprocity plain and simple. CREW made an attempt to place their pilots that are in service with Jalways and ANA in cass so as to gain jumpseat privileges but companies in Japan do not accept jumpseaters (on line nor off line) therefore this wasn't viable for the simple fact that there couldn't be a reciprocal agreement for pilots to jumpseat on Jalways. I commute with US airlines back and forth to work, I don't expect to go through security in the crew line and I'm a 767 captain for a major international carrier, I'm sorry to bring this to your attention but when you and I commute as passengers our status is that of a passenger.