NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[imacdog]

Part 135 and 91K. Part 135 companies do have air carrier certificates.

 

[Flopgut]

You know I always have wondered why the fractional guys don't volunteer as exit row occupants, or able bodied frequent flyers or the like? Seems you guys want the recognition as professional pilots, but want equal treatment as customers. AND you want to switch to whatever default you can use to either complain or chizel benefit. But in either case it's not like you try to be part of the solution. As far as being like any other huge corporate customer, if it weren't for your specific knowledge based complaints, we'd never know you were pilots...

Edit: That being said, Crewpass and CASS should only be used for persons who want to be part of improving air transportation. NJA has been around a lot of years and all they've done is be an increasing bunch of complaining customers. They want convenience they don't want to pay for with either their money or expertise. GTH guys.

 

[onthestreet]

You get your jumpseat coordinator to sign a reciprocal with my jumpseat coordinator and I'll be happy to let you on my jumpseat. It's that simple.

Getting my jumpseat coordinator to agree to a reciprocal considering your inability to actually reciprocate might be a little harder to accomplish.

But if you can convince him of your ability, go for it.

I'm happy to accommodate all professional pilots.

 

[gunfyter]

We once at Flops had it MUCH better than you guys (you know before you took us into the IBT union, then left it for your in house once you helped mgt put our company under)...and never once during that time did we treat yours or other pilots like crap or put on airs about the job you KNOW are false, just in some warped quest for respect from airline guys to finally give you "validation" (all over the boards, look it up).

This is what this is really all about. Voice wants to blame ME ... for what HE and HIS management did to HIS company.

Paranoid Hate and Discontent.

We tried to help you and I believe we still have folks trying to help.

I guess its people like YOU that thought we would negotiate a CBA FOR YOU. We suffered to get where we are now... and CONTRARY to your "never once did we treat your pilots like crap" BS statement ... The evidence is still posted on the FRAC board of all the taunting we took from YOU and others... for ALL to see... Just look for threads in 2003, 2004, early 2005.

...About how dumb we were to pay Union Dues and how Kenn was going to pay YOU whatever we got in a new CBA PLUS 10%. Yes its on the Frac board in black and white.

I get it. You hate Netjets and NJ pilots.

 

[glasspilot]

Geez VOR, why do you hate NetJets so damn much? They are pilots just like the rest of us.

I do wish we would get this reciprocity thing down as I'd love to offer first class travel to the 121 folks. In return it'd be nice if I could use the jumpseat (CASS equipped) so I could travel around myself. Jumpseating is NOT for the company to reposition you, from home or anywhere else. But it would be a great perk for any pilot.

As to your Burger King analogy...if you work for a BK with a 135 cert and you have passed the mandatory 10 year background check and your a qualified flight crew member with an ID to prove it then you should be allowed into CASS.

On the crew line front, it'll be a very sad day if I lose the ability to use crew lines to get through security. We have the same duty limitations as 121 guys. I duty on an hour before the scheduled wheels up for the flight. If I had to show up 3 or 4 hours early to get through some the the crazy lines that form then the duty time gets all screwed up. Either I have to duty on sooner, miss my flight, or show up early but duty on at the same time...thus making my true duty day off the chart and that would be dangerous.

What's the problem with pilots (of a 135 / 91K certified carrier) in uniform going through the crew line? Doesn't hurt a soul.

Lastly, it's an awful broad brush you're using when you say "NetJet pilots hate 121 guys, hate the airlines, or have some sort of "attitude"". We're all pilots from the same stock trying to get the job done safely and professionally.

Relax and stop trying to start wars...

gp

 

[imacdog]

You know I always have wondered why the fractional guys don't volunteer as exit row occupants, or able bodied frequent flyers or the like?

Some airlines charge extra for sitting in the exit row. If you want to "upgrade" us into an exit row for free then be my guest. How you run your airline is your business, why should we need to volunteer for that? Believe it or not I did assist the cabin crew yesterday on an airline flight when they had a passenger with a medical emergency situation. It was no big deal and I'm sure any other professional pilot sitting in the cabin would have done the same.

 

[gunfyter]

About 3 years ago, My FO and I were on Continental in uniform on the way to our Citation X. Someone about 10 rows ahead was in medical distress. The FA's pulled out the first aid gear.... and asked if anyone was a Doctor or paramedic.

My FO was a former Boston FD paramedic and aided the passenger until we landed.

 

[JungleJett]

Flop,

I too agree in part with what you are saying. A monster has been created by dereg...but that does not excuse the lack of simple customer service at most airlines. I was going to keep my opinions of CAL to myself but since you attacked NJA and Fracs in general, I will not.

CAL is near the top of my list for carriers I hate to fly on. Your opinion of your "solid" inflight service is not supported by my experience on COUNTLESS CAL flights. I know a TON of CAL pilots and more than a few of called to ask for my help to come over to the frac side of the business..why? The moral at CAL is tanking and it shows in the service.

But you are right...you get what you pay for and that goes for managment as well. They have clearly gotten what they paid for in some employees.

Keep doing what you are doing and I will continue to feel better about where I am now.

 

[Flopgut]

Some airlines charge extra for sitting in the exit row. If you want to "upgrade" us into an exit row for free then be my guest. How you run your airline is your business, why should we need to volunteer for that? Believe it or not I did assist the cabin crew yesterday on an airline flight when they had a passenger with a medical emergency situation. It was no big deal and I'm sure any other professional pilot sitting in the cabin would have done the same.

Here's a perfect example. You need to be upgraded?! You need something free?! You know what? Fine. You f-ing louses want to be like that? You don't need to be using Crewpass or CASS. Calling my rep now.

 

[JungleJett]

I am going to tell my mom....

Whaaaaaa

Call ALPA...maybe they can start earning the money you pay them.

What a tool...

And the FLOPGUT thing...I am sure that is not far from the truth having seen the likes of you in the terminal.

You are exactly where you belong...dudes like you are why I left the airlines.

I bet you are a '83 hire too...