NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[fischman]

Dude, EGPWS is not something you navigate with !!

I'm shocked. This is not even funny.

Stop taking words out of my mouth. Did I say I navigated with it? No.

Come on. Grow up...

 

[imacdog]

Fisch, you have to understand that Flopgut has some serious insecurity issues. If he didn't then he wouldn't be making the silly posts that he has been. Sometimes you have to let those little fellas do their own thing.

Edit - PCL does too. If these guys were truly happy with their carriers and decisions in life then they wouldn't care what we silly fractional pilots think. At least, I don't really care what they think about my company because it really doesn't matter what they think.

 

[fischman]

I hear ya.

I just enjoy a good debate. B19 doesn't challenge me anymore as he has been making the same post for months now. It's nice to have new face to spar with. I don't take any of it personally. I hope they don't either, and I think everyone agrees that no one is going to change anyone's habits by posting on FI.com.

 

[fischman]

Ever been to Riverside California? Shhhh, Fisch. Don't tell him how fun that place is.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Between the TSA, FAA inspectors, FBO owner, Mx, and Chief Pilot, I have never been on the radar with such a strong return! No challenges that day!!!

That was awesome.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Yeah, a Cessna. It was a cute little thing that cruised at altitudes up to 51,000 ft at .92M. It would eat your classic for lunch. I enjoyed it very much.

Yesterday:

ATC: Soutwest XXXX, say mach number.

SWA: Decimal 78.

ATC: Ok maintain mach 78 or better, you have a "Super" Citation in trail that has quite a bit of speed on you.

ATC: ExecJet 9XX , say mach number.

EJ: Decimal 915

ATC: Uhhhh, roger. Soutwest XXXX just maintain Mach 76 for now, he'll be passing you shortly.

Classic.

 

[Flopgut]

Stop taking words out of my mouth. Did I say I navigated with it? No.

Come on. Grow up...

I would say that what you implied has everyone reading this who understands the terrain in SA less than inspired as to your knowledge/training.

The charts ARE confusing. Some of the charts have incomplete data (says so right on the chart).

I really don't want to have any technical speak with you guys. I'm sure you all have great training.

 

[Flopgut]

I've got days off right now, so I'm going to go into media fast mode.

Just want to say for the record: I do appreciate you frac guys/gals as professionals. Congrats on a great contract and I hope things do continue to go well for you. I'd rather you be able to taunt us airline types about pay/QOL than see you go through what we have. (many of you have, I know)

And, I was not hired in 83-85.

 

[JungleJett]

Well Flop...I will do what your company (CAL), your union (ALPA), your self respect ('83 hire), your profession (other pilots), your fellow 121 pilots (that you DO NOT represent), and the rest of this forum, has done to you...

Ignore you (ignore list)..enjoy the fog.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Yes, I do.

Ok. Forget the stinky lav.

Ever check the seat back pouches after even one leg? Ever look at all the dried face butter on the windows that won't even scrape off? The crusted carpet? Guessing the lunch 4 other passengers had on the tray table in front of me is always a favorite game too.

It this your problem as a pilot in the front? I dunno. Airlines used to have professional cleaners. Who's on 1st? I dunno. Don't care.

We are merely pointing out that we ride em all and all have been filthy. Urine, crumbs, gum, trash. Don't take it personally PCL... You can't save the world alone.

It's awesome.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The charts ARE confusing. Some of the charts have incomplete data (says so right on the chart).

Don't worry Flop. I hear that John and Martha King have a GREAT video series to help you with those tough Charts.

Sometimes you can use Sectional Charts to find volcanos BEFORE you fly into there ash!!:laugh: And don't let all those FIRs and Upper Amber routes scare you. The Cubans only bite if you forget to call for the overflight.

Good luck!!

 

[PCL_128]

Ok. Forget the stinky lav.

Ever check the seat back pouches after even one leg? Ever look at all the dried face butter on the windows that won't even scrape off? The crusted carpet? Guessing the lunch 4 other passengers had on the tray table in front of me is always a favorite game too.

I deadhead in the back of our planes all the time, and I used to commute on Delta, NWA, and AirTran to DTW for years. What you're describing is a rarity, not the norm. Are the planes completely spotless like I'm sure you have to keep your planes for the rich a$$holes that you fly around? Of course not. Our planes are flying 12 hours a day with 45 minutes turns. Keeping them spotless is impossible. But in general, they're in pretty decent shape.

 

[JungleJett]

rich a$$holes

Why are you angry man? You do not know our owners. You do know our OWNER though. He is richest man on the planet and has given more to charity than you are worth. He also rides on us. He is one helluva guy and you would be proud to have him associated with your "airline".

You also hav zero ideal on how we operate. ZERO..yet you come on here and talk $hit about like you do. Why? I know you are being protective of your product and I appreciate that. But you know what, I was too until I saw the declining morale, the poor attitudes and the whole environment give up on passengers and I could no longer be a part of it. I did what I could..but to no avail. So, I left and came here. I like it here. We offer a great product that people want and I am take pride in how our owners react. I take pride in being part of a TEAM of employees dedicated to that service. It is not just me but thousands of other employees...as you said yourself, I am just one cog in the machine. But this cog is the cog the owners see 99.9% of the time and it is up to me and my crew to make sure that they stay happy and get what they pay for. It really is THAT simple. Do I worker harder than you? Yes. Do I wipe down the lav..yup. Do I load bags..sure. But what do I get for all that hardwork some may ask. I work for a company who respects me as a professional and as a person. I work for a company that compensates me well. I am fed very well and stay in some of the nicest hotels available. I keep all the benefits of my company travel which helps me and my family save thousands of dollars a year in travel cost. I sleep well with more than 8 hours of "rest". I fly a brand new airplane. Nearly everything I need to do my job is paid for...uniforms, medicals, passports...you name it. More importantly, I am home with my family more. I do not have the headaches of commuting anymore..and probably never will. I can move where ever I want..and still not be a commuter. I will never have to beg for a JS again or hope the flight is not full. I will never had to sit in a $hithole crewroom with a bunch of whining and depressed people. I will never have to spend two hours do a Jepp revision. Mine are much easier. I will fly to way more places and get to meet interesting people (you all them rich a$$holes). I can avoid places like EWR, CLE, IAH, DTW, ORD....and hit the smaller fields...after doing an NDB approach to mins. I can be on the beach in the winter or Alaska in the summer...or vice-versa. I just never know. If there is an empty airplane going somewhere, my family can travel on it..in style. Lastly, I am flying with pilots who enjoy what they do..again. Sure we have some misfits, every place does...but for the most part, we are a happy bunch who are proud of the company we work for and very proud of the job we do. I look forward to flying..again. Like I said before, it has been a long time and it has taken awhile to get back to that point. Flying for the airlines really took the wind from my rudder.

Listen dude...you know as well as anyone else here that service in the airlines has gone down in the past decade. It has...simple fact. It is not one persons fault...it is everyones fault. It is yours, the rampers, the dispatchers, scheduling, management, the unions, FA's, gate agents...ect. There are FACTS to prove this. The traveling public's comments prove it. It is not just us...it is everyone. And you fail to recognize that and are personally not willing to do a damn thing about it. You have said so yourself. So, just because a pilot says the service sucks, instead of looking at the pilot, look at the service and see if he is right. If he is wrong, prove him wrong. If he is right, correct the problem and quit giving him/her ammo. Take pride in what you do and who you work for and be part of the solution and not just throw up your hand and say "It's not my job!"

I do not like flying on the airlines and avoid it in personal travel as much as I can. I saw the inner workings and there is simply no excuse for what is happening today...none. Do I take you personally responsible, I do. You are that cog in the overall machine and you need to do better. You need to make your co-workers do better. You need to see a problem for what it is and fix it or figure out a way to fix it. If you do not, then you remain part of the problem and are as responsible for the complaints as any other cog in the machine. Next time you go fly, take out one one of the blades on your fan. Then start the engine and watch your vibes. Eventually it will worsen and then they whole engine (machine) comes apart. Get the point?

I am now officially back on topic.

 

[PCL_128]

Why are you angry man? You do not know our owners. You do know our OWNER though. He is richest man on the planet and has given more to charity than you are worth. He also rides on us. He is one helluva guy and you would be proud to have him associated with your "airline".

No argument there. I'm a big fan of the Oracle of Omaha. He's one of the few people in the business world that actually has morals and ethics.

You also hav zero ideal on how we operate. ZERO..yet you come on here and talk $hit about like you do. Why? yada, yada, yada

I'm not "talking $hit" about your operation or your product. I'm sure your product is amazing, as well it should be since it's geared towards the rich that are paying a super-premium for it. What I'm tried of is your constant attacks on the airlines. You expect a top-tier product when we simply aren't capable of providing it with the revenue that we receive. For the life of me, I can't figure out why you don't get that.

 

[acaTerry]

Puh-lease. Your "mission"? I don't even hear you guys out flying when the wx is bad. You guys might as well be VFR only.

Funny. I just flew an NDB approach, full procedure with a PT to circling, at mins, to an airport I've never been to. Doesn't sound like VFR to me.
Turn up your radio...you'll hear us all the time...if you turn off the iPod...

 

[glasspilot]

I get it. The flying public has voted very strong that what they want is cheap tickets. That is more important than shinny interiors, clean lavs, backup aircraft, great service, inflight food, clean windows, empty seat back pockets and the like.

I get it and am employed because of it.