NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[IDEtoNJA]

Who owns the airplane?

Well .... The airplane may or may not be "owned" by the air-carrier. But .... The jumpseat may or may not be "owned" by the air-carrier or the PIC depending in part on the provisions of the applicable CBA.

IDEtoNJA

 

[JungleJett]

The jumpseat may or may not be "owned" by the air-carrier or the PIC depending in part on the provisions of the applicable CBA.

IDEtoNJA

True dat...


a company can come in and take the seat....it has been done before.

 

[ozpilot]

When Comair pilots went on strike in 2001, one of the first things Delta did was yank Comairs pilots jumpseat privileges.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

When Comair pilots went on strike in 2001, one of the first things Delta did was yank Comairs pilots jumpseat privileges.

And ... ACA/ACJ pilots kept on taking Comair pilots eventhough some at management tried to stop it.

IDEtoNJA

 

[IDEtoNJA]

True dat...


a company can come in and take the seat....it has been done before.

The company can't take it away when it is against the provisions of the agreed upon CBA! At least one management team tried to do so on a number of times and failed due to strong contractual language.

IDEtoNJA

 

[ozpilot]

And ... ACA/ACJ pilots kept on taking Comair pilots eventhough some at management tried to stop it.

IDEtoNJA

Yes they did - thanks.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Well .... The airplane may or may not be "owned" by the air-carrier. But .... The jumpseat may or may not be "owned" by the air-carrier or the PIC depending in part on the provisions of the applicable CBA.

IDEtoNJA

A CBA has nothing to do with the jumpseat, although union membership would like to think it does. The jumpseat is controlled first by the FARs, and next company policy. Most airlines will extend the courtesy of cabin seats, and remember that in today's rules the airplane needs to be full before the flight deck seat is used, and that doesn't happen if you aren't in CASS for those carriers participating in the program (it's voluntary). Jumpseat agreements are coordinated by company based for the most part on reciprical agreements.

A union never "owns" the jumpseat in any air carrier.

 

[ackattacker]

A CBA has nothing to do with the jumpseat, although union membership would like to think it does. The jumpseat is controlled first by the FARs, and next company policy. Most airlines will extend the courtesy of cabin seats, and remember that in today's rules the airplane needs to be full before the flight deck seat is used, and that doesn't happen if you aren't in CASS for those carriers participating in the program (it's voluntary). Jumpseat agreements are coordinated by company based for the most part on reciprical agreements.

A union never "owns" the jumpseat in any air carrier.

A CBA has "nothing" to do with the jumpseat? I beg to differ. At most union carriers jumpseat agreements are coordinated by the union jumpseat committee and jumpseat problems / questions / etc. directed to that commitee not to the company. The right of the union via the captain to administer the jumpseat in this way is contained in the C.B.A. As has been pointed out different companies may have stronger or weaker language in this regard.

In fact CASS would not have happened without the efforts of various union jumpseat committees. At many carriers the cost of CASS is borne by the union.