NetJets Unrest Puts Warren Buffett in a Rare Pinch

[Mooneymite]

Help me here....I'm not sure,

Was it Hansell, or Pol Pot who said: "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss."

 

[Diesel]

I left Netjets with seven years of experience. I was great at my job. I was highly experience in the airplane. I knew the airports we frequently flew into. I knew the gotchas, locations of the FBO's, common taxi routes and approaches. I knew all the techniques for getting the job done. I was proud to be able to turn the jet in twenty minutes. I was proud to be able to fly into Hawaii one day with all the special oceanic procedures and fly into Canada the next. I liked the job.

Unfortunately, I was never compensated well. I was on the seven and seven schedule and my gross pay was about $76,000 a year (after SEVEN years) with no upgrade or good future in sight.

I shopped my skills after I had my fill of the new Hansell regime. I was hired by a major airline two months later.

Today I find myself two weeks from completing my probation year. It was a lot of work and stress to leave, but the future looks very bright.

This month my schedule was three on four off. Next month I will gross about $9350 for the month. The company will contribute about another 20% towards my retirement this coming year. I have basic healthcare that I don't pay for. The benefits are too many to list. All the open time I want to pick up.

The funny thing is I'm still doing basically the same job. Still the same skill set. One company was willing to pay for having an experience pilot up front. The other company was not. Who would you want to work for?

Good luck Netjets pilots.

You are grossly underpaid for the job you do. Don't sell yourself short.

Congrats good job.

 

[T-1GUY]

Thank you...

 

[CA1900]

I am listening. Just worried about the results of our tactics. I think Warren is already unhappy enough with us for having 4 Unions on the property.

We didn't have four unions before WB sent in Sokol and his labor-hating lawyer.

 

[Semore Butts]

Warren is unhappy with us?

As I heard this tears ran down my cheeks......

Tears of laughter. Geez G4, that is by far the funniest thing you have ever posted! What are you, 8 years old or something?

Dear Lord!

Semore (As he shakes head and walks away)

 

[Diesel]

I am listening. Just worried about the results of our tactics. I think Warren is already unhappy enough with us for having 4 Unions on the property. And I think a new owner would treat us badly compared to Warren.

You haven't been listening since day one.

How many people need to explain it to you?

How many people have to point out that your flawed thinking is not going to get us anywhere?

At what point will you decide to take a stand?

When is enough is enough?

 

[Willy21]

"It places the lotion on the skin or else it get the hose again." Enjoy your hole GIV.

 

[G4dude]

You haven't been listening since day one.

How many people need to explain it to you?

How many people have to point out that your flawed thinking is not going to get us anywhere?

At what point will you decide to take a stand?

When is enough is enough?

I have been listening, just don't agree with you. Same info, different worldview. Better code of conduct.

 

[G4dude]

Do all of y'all believe a new owner would pay us more than Warren? I suspect not.

 

[fischman]

Do all of y'all believe a new owner would pay us more than Warren? I suspect not.

If the leverage is there, yes.

 

[gunfyter]

Do all of y'all believe a new owner would pay us more than Warren? I suspect not.

We've already been sold to a new owner:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Peerless-DOB001-Accessory-Toiletry-Bag/38078201

 

[FamilyGuy]

We've already been sold to a new owner:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Peerless-DOB001-Accessory-Toiletry-Bag/38078201

LOL. Is this the result of one of Jordan's schemes to create a new revenue stream?

If so, it ranks right up there with replacing Fiji with Dasani and sueing the FBO's to try and sell their fuel to other customers.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Do all of y'all believe a new owner would pay us more than Warren? I suspect not.

I think selling NetJets would be very difficult.

So many of the owners joined NetJets because of the Berkshire Hathaway backing. If you take that away, how many owners do you lose and what is the value of what remains?

 

[Diesel]

I have been listening, just don't agree with you. Same info, different worldview. Better code of conduct.

It's not that you don't agree with me you don't agree with anyone around you telling you you're wrong.

You've said you want to SCAB. That isn't a different world view that is a whole different galaxy.

So how is the job search going?

 

[Diesel]

Do all of y'all believe a new owner would pay us more than Warren? I suspect not.

The sky is falling argument.

Do you think the company would be better off if WB sells us? I sure think so because I can tell you this it can't get any worse.

Whomever buys us which is doubtful it would ever happen sadly, would hopefully bring in excitement, forward thinking, and a love of aviation. Sadly all those people have left the building.

Do you really think WB selling us is a bad thing? How much worse can it get?

Is that why you are so scared to rock the boat?

 

[Diesel]

I think selling NetJets would be very difficult.

So many of the owners joined NetJets because of the Berkshire Hathaway backing. If you take that away, how many owners do you lose and what is the value of what remains?

I'm not saying it would happen.

But think of how many owners would sign back up if someone like RTS came back and bought us. They would know that the experience, product, and exclusiveness would come back.

Food for thought. Sadly I don't think we'll be sold.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I'm not saying it would happen.

But think of how many owners would sign back up if someone like RTS came back and bought us. They would know that the experience, product, and exclusiveness would come back.

Food for thought. Sadly I don't think we'll be sold.

Good point. We sorely need a leader that has vision, a passion for the industry, integrity, ethics, morals, and charisma.

Sadly, as you noted earlier, anyone that had any of those characteristics has already left.

 

[Diesel]

Good point. We sorely need a leader that has vision, a passion for the industry, integrity, ethics, morals, and charisma.

Sadly, as you noted earlier, anyone that had any of those characteristics has already left.

No truer words were ever spoken.

 

[993_Pilot]

...Do you think the company would be better off if WB sells us? I sure think so because I can tell you this it can't get any worse...

You may be in luck, I heard Kenn Ricci flew to Omaha several times recently ;-)

Whomever buys us which is doubtful it would ever happen sadly, would hopefully bring in excitement, forward thinking, and a love of aviation...

Kenn Ricci could bring you his "Vision"! Netjets could be the new "Blue label", a step above the "Red Label" in his multi-branded vision for the new "One Sky".

Do you really think WB selling us is a bad thing? How much worse can it get?...

Maybe you should ask the Flexjet crews if they think this is true.

(For what it's worth, I am on your side, and support the NJ pilots 100%)

 

[pilotyip]

(For what it's worth, I am on your side, and support the NJ pilots 100%)

You mean there could be a down side? maybe ice bergs out there?

 

[Mooneymite]

...... I sure think so because I can tell you this it can't get any worse. .....

Oh, brother!

I hope you wrote this for rhetorical effect because, things can (and probably will) get lots worse.

 

[Diesel]

Oh, brother!

I hope you wrote this for rhetorical effect because, things can (and probably will) get lots worse.

It will get worse but someone who has skin in the game would be a better fit. Like familyguy said.

 

[G4dude]

I'm not saying it would happen.

But think of how many owners would sign back up if someone like RTS came back and bought us. They would know that the experience, product, and exclusiveness would come back.

Food for thought. Sadly I don't think we'll be sold.

I suspect Warren might be the best owner, only because he feels, strangely enough, that we complement his other business holdings. I don't understand his thinking, but he is smarter than I am. Any other owner would be motivated by the profit of NJA on its own. Even Santulli.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

I am not saying it does not have anything to do with WB. I do not know whether it does -- but I know I did not say it. The point I was trying to make is that for months (or years) I have read so much on this site about how afraid WB is of negative publicity. The conclusion is that since he is "so scared" the union has leverage. All I am posing is "what if he is not all that scared of negative publicity??" Well -- the negative publicity "cat is now out of the bag".

IF I were you, I would consider re reading my contract and seeing if there are any caveats in case of a strike. Because that is the road Jordan and Warren are heading downward.
Jus' Sayin'.

 

[G4dude]

The sky is falling argument.

Do you think the company would be better off if WB sells us? I sure think so because I can tell you this it can't get any worse.

Whomever buys us which is doubtful it would ever happen sadly, would hopefully bring in excitement, forward thinking, and a love of aviation. Sadly all those people have left the building.

Do you really think WB selling us is a bad thing? How much worse can it get?

Is that why you are so scared to rock the boat?

I believe Warren selling us would be bad for us. His ownership of NJA serves a synergistic function with his other companies as well as a profit center in itself. A new owner would insist on return on investment as the only reason to buy us, making downward pressure on our pay more intense. That's what I think. It could get a lot worse. I worked for several other operators, and NJA is far and away better than they were. Even with our current frustrations and concerns.

 

[pilotyip]

I worked for several other operators, and NJA is far and away better than they were. Even with our current frustrations and concerns.

well said, I know many who work there who share your feelings, but they are not as outgoing as you because they don't want the hassles from 10250 crowd.

 

[Diesel]

I believe Warren selling us would be bad for us. His ownership of NJA serves a synergistic function with his other companies as well as a profit center in itself. A new owner would insist on return on investment as the only reason to buy us, making downward pressure on our pay more intense. That's what I think. It could get a lot worse. I worked for several other operators, and NJA is far and away better than they were. Even with our current frustrations and concerns.

Haha. You really haven't been listening.

The reason they want concessions from us is because we aren't making ENOUGH of a return of investment to brk. So how is that any different than someone else buying us and wanting an roi?

We are synergetic with anyone. We are just moving money from our pocket to another brk company and making our side look bad. Why is that we don't get a discount at fsi for training when every other operator in the world does.

Maybe if they gave us a discount that roi would be good enough and we wouldn't have to take pay cuts to make the numbers work better.

I do like how you think cutting benefits, pay, vacation, sick time, and 32 other points are just a "concern" at what point do you go from concerned to down right pissed? When we lose everything?

 

[Diesel]

well said, I know many who work there who share your feelings, but they are not as outgoing as you because they don't want the hassles from 10250 crowd.

Yip you'll never see 10/250 in your life so I'm not sure why you're so interested about it here.

Why haven't you gone over to the majors side yet and thrown your union hate speech there?

 

[gunfyter]

Year 10 NJA sic $81,081 (with college degree and associated 6 figure student loan debt PLUS flight training loan debt)


Walmart truck driver: $84K.

1-888-BIG RIGS

 

[G4dude]

The sky is falling argument.

Do you think the company would be better off if WB sells us? I sure think so because I can tell you this it can't get any worse.

Whomever buys us which is doubtful it would ever happen sadly, would hopefully bring in excitement, forward thinking, and a love of aviation. Sadly all those people have left the building.

Do you really think WB selling us is a bad thing? How much worse can it get?

Is that why you are so scared to rock the boat?

Good post and good questions. My emotions want Santulli back in control. But I believe a buyer, even him, would squeeze us to extract more profit, because, unlike Warren and his synergy theory, profit would be the only reason to buy us. Therefore, I tend to think our best chance lies with Warren owning us. Not a perfect world, but the best we can get in the real world. Having said that, I REALLY would like Harry Potter to go away.