NetJets Strike Passes By 93%

[FamilyGuy]

Famguy posted:



Our union has delivered on most things, just not pay. The other frax best us only on pay, and it's just a couple of grand more a year.

Don't forget NJ was the frax industry for a long time. They set the bar low, and the other frax have only had to match or slightly better the deal.

Just ask a FOp's or Flex guy about their work rules compared to ours that the union was instrumental in negotiating.

The other frax may be questioning their wisdom of staying non union, especially if we get an industry leading contract.

Hogprint - I'm getting a conflicting message here. You state that the union delivered the best work rules and operating conditions of any of the frax operators and are just a couple thousand below them in pay. It sounds like the union did a good job historically outside of the pay issue - so why the intense dissatisfaction?

 

[FamilyGuy]

You're not just beating a dead horse here, you're digging it out of the grave and wacking at the bones now.

Hmmm. A "Boisturism".

Worth ain't worth that much.

No, I dont think he's old enough to get credit for that phrase...

"flog (or beat) a dead horse. Though he supported the measure, British politician and orator John Bright thought the Reform Bill of 1867, which called for more democratic representation, would never be passed by Parliament. Trying to rouse Parliament from its apathy on the issue, he said in a speech, would be like trying to 'flog a dead horse' to make it pull a load. This is the first recorded use of the expression, which is still common for 'trying to revive interest in an apparently hopeless issue.' Bright's silver tongue is also responsible for 'England is the mother of Parliament,' and 'Force is not a remedy,' among other memorable quotations. He was wrong about the Reform Bill of 1867, however. Parliament 'carried' it, as the British say." From the "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997.)

 

[Ultra Grump]

No, I dont think he's old enough to get credit for that phrase...

"flog (or beat) a dead horse. Though he supported the measure, British politician and orator John Bright thought the Reform Bill of 1867, which called for more democratic representation, would never be passed by Parliament. Trying to rouse Parliament from its apathy on the issue, he said in a speech, would be like trying to 'flog a dead horse' to make it pull a load. This is the first recorded use of the expression, which is still common for 'trying to revive interest in an apparently hopeless issue.' Bright's silver tongue is also responsible for 'England is the mother of Parliament,' and 'Force is not a remedy,' among other memorable quotations. He was wrong about the Reform Bill of 1867, however. Parliament 'carried' it, as the British say." From the "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997.)

Hey Clavin, aren't you needed back at Cheers?

 

[Some Dude]

I think all of you guys need to get LAID. Tempers are high..... I suggest one of you try getting laid by a woman, then you can be on the top or the bottom.

 

[Hawkered]

Family Guy

I actually like your intellectual arguments and I feel that you're very sincere in your convictions, but you're straying...again.

Are you really interested whether my baby can afford a new pair of shoes, or do you want to just, "do the right thing" for a bunch of fat cats.

I received a very long and well delivered page today on my company pager and really, I thought it was well written and showed us the gravity of the situation. The fact that you know that its happening is a relief to many of us. Some of us thought you genuinely didn't care!

American Airlines had one of the worlds hardest leaders, but he was loved..and hated at the same time. Robert Crandall fought for the dominance of the silver bird in Washington, and with route structure, ETOPS economics and even sports advertising. If you would ask any American pilot that remembered life under him, they'd probably give some reference to their own anatomy as personal sacrifice to have him back, just to recapture those wonder years.

Netjets doesn't have leadership right now that shows that kind of conviction. They seem to clock in and clock out, and not really even care. Let me explain:- You've been working a problem at a remote airport in Montana all day long with maintenance control, it's the third plane you've been on for the tour that's broken down, passengers are coming in an hour. The MEL covers the problem and both crew members agree that it's safe to take the 'plane. You call an Assistant Chief Pilot and tell him you're good to go. He doesn't know anything about the problem, doesn't understood the MEL and hasn't even been briefed by the arm chair warrior that just left his air-conditioned confines.

Sure: it takes years to get a good customer and seconds to lose one, but how do we go back to the passengers who are waiting to go to a charity function in New York and continue to smile?!

You get what you pay for!! You have to pay a pilot that can show up for work and know that his wife has a car with a working set of brakes and an engine that won't let go. You have to pay a pilot that can afford the insurance deductibles for life's unfortunate events that take us by surprise. You have to pay a pilot so that s/he can afford a retirement outside of the government sponsered ponzi scheme called Social Security and you have to grow the team with all the fan fare of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders at the closing moments of a fourth quarter tie-breaking field goal!!!

Thats what leadership is!! It's not "telling", it's not lecturing, it's not coming up with great new ideas...it's about treating people the way you would like to be treated and not taking personal offence to peoples' personality quirks, or even their own unique beliefs. It's about tolerance, patience, the ability to make an example of others through the actions of oneself, and the ability to practice one's craft better than most, at the same time, remaining humble!!

God knows..I fail at this myself, but you are being paid to be great Family Guy, and for that money, we all expect greatness.

What good is it coming up with "financials" when we are being charged 50 bucks for a quart of oil in Westchester? Or seeing orders for our aircraft running off to Europe? How can you equate the cost of a sell-off, when the majority of those are to our sister company EJM?

If I carry a wallet and I change the pocket from one side of my butt-cheeks to the other, have I just cost myself its contents, or did I just double my fortunes? Thats how stupid it looks when we show up to White Plains!!

Family Guy, have the strength of your own convictions to be honest and fair in your dealings. Do not be sideswiped by corporate immorality or tongue twisted into arguments with people that piss you off on these forums.

Just Git 'R Done!

Time will heal...if its not too late!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

WRONG. You should go back and check the timeline....its all there in black and white. You introduced Manufacturing as a topic on page 11 post #162. At least get the facts straight.

(sigh) I mentioned manufacturing an a broad context. Not a specific example. There is a difference. If you don't get it then I am sorry that I don't have the time to teach you the english language today.

WRONG AGAIN. Actually teachers are the highest unionized group of workers in the country. Aviation does have a high percentage of workers who are unionized though. The entire transportation industry is around 25%. You can get more data on the Bureau of Labor Statistics site here:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

Entire Transportation industry.... bus drivers, Taxi drivers, railroad employees, etc. The transport industry is pretty large.

Aviation Employees do not make up the entire transport industry. Please stop skewing the facts. It makes you look retarded online.

As for the commentary on saying zero words to Boisture, that's simply your loss. Not too many people get an opportunity to talk to Mr. Boisture, and I dont think I would squander the opportunity. What is the purpose in saying nothing? To express displeasure? I think everyone knows you're not happy.

Boisture is a windbag who acts like a cheap Stephan Wolf knock off that is hardly as versed in dealing with SERVICE, even less skilled at dealing with Unions and has no concept of Self Discipline.

NetJets has a President who throws a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way... and it's funny.

Could you help him find his golden parachute. The pilots will show him the door. We'll call it even.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by FamilyGuy

WRONG AGAIN. Actually teachers are the highest unionized group of workers in the country. Aviation does have a high percentage of workers who are unionized though. The entire transportation industry is around 25%. You can get more data on the Bureau of Labor Statistics site here:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm



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Teachers yes but teachers are not part of the private sector.



For the most part Public sector can not compare directly to private sector in that public sector is not as subject to globalization and immigration effects on employment and so forth.

 

[Hawkered]

Guys..let it go. This is not about union busting or getting the boss fired!

Show me the money!!

"Git 'R Done!"

 

[brewerdog]

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

 

[CMHTroll]

Wow

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

I believe that includes thier Own Rig, pay their Own Fuel etc. And after expenses the make about $30,000. Check your Freightliner dealer and he can give you more information. Or ask Diesel, he loves trucks!

 

[FAcFriend]

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

another option is to go be a truck driver. Are you implying that you think you should be paid as a truck driver is paid? I detect a note of sarcasm in your post that sounds quite snobbish- you sir, know nothing about truck drivers.

 

[Semore Butts]

Why would I waste my time talking to B.B.???

Family, have you seen the DVD that BB sent out to the pilots? I wish you could if you haven't.

BB tries to talk to us like he's grandpa and he just caught his grandchild stealing a cookie.

(Bad Johhny, you don't need more money son, Grandpa knows whats best for you, your kids are better working at a factory or fast food place anyway, they don't deserve to go to college. Vacations are a pain anyway, if you can't afford to go on one it will be better anyway)

Not much of a way to talk to a group that flies multi million dollar clients in multi million dollar aircraft all over the planet.

When I saw the , video I was just north of Bagdad, and had just been through a mortar attack. My point is, we been a round a time or 2. I know the difference between Chicken salad and Chicken sh&t.

BB explained in his "business 101" class the "Y" factor being the available amount of money the company could pay the pilots. He explained that the target profit was not being reached and therefore the company could not pay us more. Well, as I understand it from the business 101 that I took, salary is part of business cost, not profits.

So, I'm not buyin it, and I don't think by brethren is either.

BB is a politician, so is magee. You look at them and say bullsh*t, they ignore you and continue with their bs as if it is gospel.

That is why we say nothing (my opinion). What point would it serve. They are getting paid by what they can take from the mouthes of our families.

Well there it is as far as I'm concerned.

If it wasn't so truly degrading, it would have probably been funny.

 

[FLYLOW22]

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

Here? 7 years.

 

[flyfysh]

Family, have you seen the DVD that BB sent out to the pilots? I wish you could if you haven't.

BB tries to talk to us like he's grandpa and he just caught his grandchild stealing a cookie.

(Bad Johhny, you don't need more money son, Grandpa knows whats best for you, your kids are better working at a factory or fast food place anyway, they don't deserve to go to college. Vacations are a pain anyway, if you can't afford to go on one it will be better anyway)

Not much of a way to talk to a group that flies multi million dollar clients in multi million dollar aircraft all over the planet.

When I saw the , video I was just north of Bagdad, and had just been through a mortar attack. My point is, we been a round a time or 2. I know the difference between Chicken salad and Chicken sh&t.

BB explained in his "business 101" class the "Y" factor being the available amount of money the company could pay the pilots. He explained that the target profit was not being reached and therefore the company could not pay us more. Well, as I understand it from the business 101 that I took, salary is part of business cost, not profits.

So, I'm not buyin it, and I don't think by brethren is either.

BB is a politician, so is magee. You look at them and say bullsh*t, they ignore you and continue with their bs as if it is gospel.

That is why we say nothing (my opinion). What point would it serve. They are getting paid by what they can take from the mouthes of our families.

Well there it is as far as I'm concerned.

If it wasn't so truly degrading, it would have probably been funny.

Do you honestly think these guys that you name go to work looking forward to making your day harder? Give me a break, reading these posts, you seem to be able to do that all on your own. They were hired to run this company, safely and efficiently while still being good stewards of our owners money (remember...the people that allow us to receive a paycheck??)
You are unfortunately making this negotiation between the company and the union/pilots more about the who than the what. They are people with families...employees...just like you and I with a job to do. Period. We can sit here and be 1 of 4k employees and remain anonymous with our bad a$$ threats while they have no choice but to be thrown in the fire with no anonymity and figure out how to make this thing work for all involved. I for one, give them credit for that because if it were me, I would not have subjected myself to this abuse past day one.
How would you like it if they got on this board and defamed you as blatantly as you do them?Treat others as you would like to be treated. Didn't your Mother ever tell you that if you don't have anything nice to say...don't say anything at all...

 

[Some Dude]

If I was paid 1.5 million a year like Mr. Moisture then I would say flame away. He is only here for another year. How many management teams have we had? How many has Southwest had? Hmmmm.....I wonder if Old Herb would like to run this place as well as he did at Southwest. Maybe we can talk him into coming here to NJA.