NetJets Strike Passes By 93%

[FAcFriend]

sorry to change the subject, but i heard a NJ pilot volunteered for overtime (he has kids) and other pilots were harassing him for hleping the co. (the pilot was paid for the time worked he just needed extra cash). I also heard some pilots were harassing other pilots for volunteering for OT no matter what the reason- Ot needed for education expenses, OT needed for med bills, etc.

Is this true?

 

[FLYLOW22]

sorry to change the subject, but i heard a NJ pilot volunteered for overtime (he has kids) and other pilots were harassing him for hleping the co. (the pilot was paid for the time worked he just needed extra cash). I also heard some pilots were harassing other pilots for volunteering for OT no matter what the reason- Ot needed for education expenses, OT needed for med bills, etc.

Is this true?

Volunteering to cover bills that are already hard to cover thanks to the crap wage this job pays is one thing. Kids, education, taxes, etc. That's one thing.

Volunteering to make the corvette payment or some other non-essentials is just improper.

Let the pilot deal with his/her peers. It will work out. It always does. In the end this is a pilot issue.

OT wouldn't be needed (for some) if Boisture was willing to pay more that 69K at year 5.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Hey it's nancy boy foaming at the mouth again! OK troll, let's set the record straight.

The video was a link on the old 284 union website, are you still following me or am I going too fast? As such the website specifically had the warning that it was a restricted site, and as such it was protected by federal wiretap and viewing laws, still with me nancy? So on that site there was a thread linking to the video, still there?

So for you managemnet hacks the only way for you to have gotten ahold of that video was to violate federal law!

The way the video was brought to the attention of the company was by one of the former, fab 5, mec's wife. Did she have access to the website? no, not by the definition of being a union member (wiretap law violated), now when the company accessed the link it was through the union website (federal law violated by the company).

To diferentiate between workplace violence and free speech you must ask yourself these questions:

1. what occured? a guy making a video with disclaimers and syncing the action with music shooting a company dvd (free speech).

2. Did the firing occure on company property? No (not workplace violence).

3. Did a violation of federal law occure with the firing of the weapon? No (legal in the state that it occured, not on company property;not work place violence).

4. Did he injure anyone on company property? no (not workplace violence).

Now follow along here troll and be a man and not a nancy boy and answer this question:

1. Was it not workplace violence when one of our schedulers, while being escorted off the property, put his fist through a wall in rage?

Bueller?? anyone??

C an't H elp I t P al, because you are who you are mole.

 

[FAcFriend]

Volunteering to cover bills that are already hard to cover thanks to the crap wage this job pays is one thing. Kids, education, taxes, etc. That's one thing.

Volunteering to make the corvette payment or some other non-essentials is just improper.

Let the pilot deal with his/her peers. It will work out. It always does. In the end this is a pilot issue.

OT wouldn't be needed (for some) if Boisture was willing to pay more that 69K at year 5.

I heard this pilot group was not differentiating between the Ot for legitimate reasons and or for corvette payments. They were just harassing pilots. YOu know regardless of their pay sometimes, we all know this, with kids things come up, tutors, camps, etc. and also sometimes people have to help support their parents etc. and co workers dont even know about it.

Do you guys differentitate before you hassle someone about working OT? Do you require a dr note or something before you think it is ok?

 

[El Chupacabra]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

We just voted to Strike. I don't think that means anyone should be volunteering for overtime. Instead you should get your butt over to MKE and Picket.

 

[Hogprint]

sorry to change the subject, but i heard a NJ pilot volunteered for overtime (he has kids) and other pilots were harassing him for hleping the co. (the pilot was paid for the time worked he just needed extra cash). I also heard some pilots were harassing other pilots for volunteering for OT no matter what the reason- Ot needed for education expenses, OT needed for med bills, etc.

Is this true?

Well Fac, what do you consider harassment? What did the pilots do? Can you give us any details?

 

[Hogprint]

The fried said:

They were just harassing pilots

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Please. Tell us what they did!

Do you require a dr note or something before you think it is ok?

You mean like the company does if we call in sick and they are trying to harass us?

 

[Some Dude]

FAcfriend, you are posting more misinformation. Why even post here when you know nothing about what you speak of? The list of overtime is published by the COMPANY.

 

[FAcFriend]

Well Fac, what do you consider harassment? What did the pilots do? Can you give us any details?

Hoggy, I am just asking questions about a rumor. I also heard in a PM that some pilots have started to website to list the names of those who make disparaging comments about pilots who are volunteering for OT.

I have been unable to verify this information and am asking questions.

Maybe I have said too much in this forum.

I was looking for verification from people like you who I think, are generally in the know.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Why are you so concerned?

I hate to see people work overtime. Would be better to go home to see your family.

Overtime is no solution to money problems. Only enables those that would have you work for low wages continue to do so for a longer period of time.

Perhaps more people will realize this.

So I cannot encourage anybody to work overtime. It just not 'the right thing to do'.

 

[Hawkered]

The union has failed us once again, by allowing the attacks from one brother to another.

 

[Diesel]

Hey FaCfriend. Why do you care. You don't need to know what's going on. This is our fight. You have no say in what goes on period.

Do you work the line? Nope so you have no idea what is going on.

You probably have access to our union website and are doing the "everybody is saying" or "my friend told me" that way you don't lose credibility.

It doesn't concern you so shut the F up.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The union has failed us once again, by allowing the attacks from one brother to another.

This Union has helped you more than not Hawkered. If you really want a good feel for what the Union does for you and every other gold tie wearing Joe out there I suggest you volunteer for something.

Only then can you truly criticize.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I heard this pilot group was not differentiating between the Ot for legitimate reasons and or for corvette payments. They were just harassing pilots. YOu know regardless of their pay sometimes, we all know this, with kids things come up, tutors, camps, etc. and also sometimes people have to help support their parents etc. and co workers dont even know about it.

Do you guys differentitate before you hassle someone about working OT? Do you require a dr note or something before you think it is ok?

Don't worry about how we commuicate with each other. It's a pilot thing. You wouldn't understand.

Dr. notes. No. We aren't that novice.

 

[Some Dude]

Hawkered what part of the COMPANY published the list do you NOT understand?

 

[dsptchrnja]

1. Was it not workplace violence when one of our schedulers, while being escorted off the property, put his fist through a wall in rage?

Bueller?? anyone??

C an't H elp I t P al, because you are who you are mole.

It's one thing to name names when you know what you are talking about. But when you don't even have the correct facts you look like a complete halfwit. Any credibility you had just went down the tubes.

 

[CMHTroll]

It is not just about you!

Hey FaCfriend. Why do you care. You don't need to know what's going on. This is our fight. You have no say in what goes on period.

Do you work the line? Nope so you have no idea what is going on.

You probably have access to our union website and are doing the "everybody is saying" or "my friend told me" that way you don't lose credibility.

It doesn't concern you so shut the F up.

FacFriend, are you a spouse like NetJetsWife? If you are then it does concern you. Keep asking questions because it helps the Bad Monkeys and Diesels try to defend their bad behavior as why their actions hurt other pilots and Casino workers.

It is just dirty politics, Teamster style.

 

[Diesel]

ahhhh CMHTroll-

You see he comes on here and bashes the pilots. He assumes or likes to say that guys like me are bad guys. That we don't get the job done and have no care about the owners. He likes to pretend that he "heard from a friend" or "knows some pilots". When in fact he's a company poster. Which is fine as long as you see him for who he is.

He likes to bash the teamsters. He doesn't care what we've done to make the pilots lives better. He doesn't care that 1108 is making sure that first year pilots are making livable wages even if the company is not helping them do that. He won't ever present the darker side of what is going on. Case in point J.

Hey CMHtroll why don't you explain the other half of J's story. Why don't you do a little research and look at the RLA and how many aribitrators rulings have been overturned in a federal court? Do you really think the company is going to be able to prove that the mediator was on the take? He split the baby down the middle. It takes about a 1 second google search to find out the answer.

So keep saying i play dirty politcs teamster style. When in fact YOU drop little "tidbits" from the transcripts but never give the whole story. So who is playing dirty politics?

 

[Hawkered]

I think that both sides have their fair share of blame. The whole thing has been spun into a complete distortion of facts.

I don't get scheduling, the role of the chief pilots, the selling points of anyone in management nor the fact that the aircraft can't seem to be fixed. I don't understand why anyone would extend. I don't understand why anyone would start a list of extenders.

I don't understand why we have all these new Marquis cardholders, but no planes to fly them around in.

I just don't get it, I guess!

 

[CMHTroll]

ahhhh CMHTroll-

You see he comes on here and bashes the pilots. He assumes or likes to say that guys like me are bad guys. That we don't get the job done and have no care about the owners. He likes to pretend that he "heard from a friend" or "knows some pilots". When in fact he's a company poster. Which is fine as long as you see him for who he is.

He likes to bash the teamsters. He doesn't care what we've done to make the pilots lives better. He doesn't care that 1108 is making sure that first year pilots are making livable wages even if the company is not helping them do that. He won't ever present the darker side of what is going on. Case in point J.

Hey CMHtroll why don't you explain the other half of J's story. Why don't you do a little research and look at the RLA and how many aribitrators rulings have been overturned in a federal court? Do you really think the company is going to be able to prove that the mediator was on the take? He split the baby down the middle. It takes about a 1 second google search to find out the answer.

So keep saying i play dirty politcs teamster style. When in fact YOU drop little "tidbits" from the transcripts but never give the whole story. So who is playing dirty politics?

Yes, I believe that the Teamsters do damage in the name of their members just like a terrorist believes it is OK to hurt innocent bystanders. Yes I do believe that pilots, all pilots need livable wages and the Company has tried to give them an increase while in negotiations. But the Union Leadership has refused an LOA to boost FO wages. The Union has refused to let instructors recieve their increase. They want all pilots to bleed as much as possible because they want to do the whole contract the long way so they can manipulate the pilots and attempt to put pressure on the Company. Do you deny that the Union does not want anybody to work overtime?



The Company would not have to prove that the mediator did anything except that he was wrong. It is the American way to challenge a decision that one party believes is wrong. Isn't that why the Union challenged it? Who knows, maybe it will make it to the Supreme Court, 60 minutes and 20-20. It couldn't hurt your public relations program now could it? There is no darker side, no conspiracy theory, just the facts.